Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread hessiess
But these features are non-standard and will not work the same on different viewers, hence the point, HTML NEVER prints the same from two different viewers. Generally the point of systems like TeX is you can garentee that a document will always look the same, regardless of if it was typeset now or

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread Mate Nagy
Hiho, On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 08:29:39AM -, hessi...@hessiess.com wrote: > But these features are non-standard and will not work the same on > different viewers, hence the point, HTML NEVER prints the same from two > different viewers. Generally the point of systems like TeX is you can > garent

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-09-05 08:29] hessi...@hessiess.com > > [...] HTML NEVER prints the same from two > different viewers. Generally the point of systems like TeX is you can > garentee that a document will always look the same, regardless of if it > was typeset now or 10 years in the future. I know, this is a

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 9/5/09, Mate Nagy wrote: > Hiho, > On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 08:29:39AM -, hessi...@hessiess.com wrote: >> But these features are non-standard and will not work the same on >> different viewers, hence the point, HTML NEVER prints the same from two >> different viewers. Generally the point of

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-09-05 10:35] Szabolcs Nagy > > all printed documents are obsolete > [...] and ligatures which [...] provides no gain [...] I don't agree on these two statements. When it's about ease of reading, then typography is very important. Well typeset paper books are much easier to read than othe

Re: [dev] Re: [surf] cookie race condition for multiple instances?

2009-09-05 Thread Aurélien Aptel
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Enno Boland (Gottox) wrote: > Hey! > > I hope I get some free time tomorrow to get cookies working more properly. > >> FWIW, in uzbl we use an external script to take care of cookie storage and >> retrieval. >> wmich makes it easy to support concurrency and multiple

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread stanio
* Mate Nagy [2009-09-05 10:19]: > This is the most serious drawback of TeX. Documents should look like > how the user wants them, not how the author wants them. I think a major requirement is that the author (and user) need to be sure that the user is able to see the author's stuff unaltered desp

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 9/5/09, markus schnalke wrote: > [2009-09-05 10:35] Szabolcs Nagy >> >> all printed documents are obsolete > >> [...] and ligatures which [...] provides no gain [...] > > I don't agree on these two statements. > > When it's about ease of reading, then typography is very important. > Well types

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Szabolcs Nagy dixit (2009-09-05, 10:35): > > There's also that pagination is annoying and obsolete now, but this is > > mostly related to the former point. > > +1 > > all printed documents are obsolete and any system that is optimized > for the 'paper' display medium > > same applies to hyphena

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread Mate Nagy
Hiho, On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 11:59:39AM +0200, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > Szabolcs Nagy >>dixit<< (2009-09-05, 10:35): also, > This is purest craps of crap. A high quality book typeset by a > knowledgeable typesetter is *incomparable* to any automatically > generated text that you get on screen/PDA

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Mate Nagy dixit (2009-09-05, 12:17): > > High quality fonts, ligatures, proper hyphenation and other subtle > > typographic elements (yes, with lots of added complexity, thank you very > > much) are a *big* gain and make perfect sense when typeset at 2450 dpi; > > pretending that text set on a 90

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-09-05 11:22] sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de > * Mate Nagy [2009-09-05 10:19]: > > This is the most serious drawback of TeX. Documents should look like > > how the user wants them, not how the author wants them. > > --snip-- > > I agree, ideally, the user should be able to see the stuff in a way h

Re: [dev] Re: [surf] cookie race condition for multiple instances?

2009-09-05 Thread Ray Kohler
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Aurélien Aptel wrote: > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Enno Boland (Gottox) wrote: >> Hey! >> >> I hope I get some free time tomorrow to get cookies working more properly. >> >>> FWIW, in uzbl we use an external script to take care of cookie storage and >>> retriev

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread David E. Thiel
On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 11:52:03AM +0200, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > easy processing and searching of digital documents made a huge > difference, but copy pasting from a pdf is a pain when there are > ligatures and hyphenation etc. This isn't true. Any sane PDF reader converts ligatures to their non-l

Re: [dev] [last] lastfm interface

2009-09-05 Thread Preben Randhol
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:22:35 +0200 Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > I know that last.fm stopped doing the free streaming. since march or > something you could still play a few hundred songs but then it > stopped working. unless you upgraded to a paid account. 30 tracks actually

Re: [dev] [last] lastfm interface

2009-09-05 Thread Preben Randhol
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:12:38 -0400 Kris Maglione wrote: > I actually switched from Last.FM to Pandora a few months ago, so > I suppose things may have changed since the last time I used it. > I'll look into it later. Pandora is U.S. only.

Re: [dev] dwm: suckless way to monitor work hours

2009-09-05 Thread Preben Randhol
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:07:47 +0300 Niklas Koponen wrote: > My plan is to take a snaphot of the root window at certain intervals > if there has been some mouse or keyboard activity. I also record the > amount of activity. Then I store the information and at the end of the > month I just generate a

[dev] [surf] print page

2009-09-05 Thread pancake
I find it useful to print to pdf. Would be nice if we add a commandline flag to directly print html into pdf in batch mode. use ^P (control + shift + P) diff -r ed940ea406e2 surf.c --- a/surf.cFri Sep 04 13:23:36 2009 +0200 +++ b/surf.cSat Sep 05 17:16:26 2009 + @@ -197,8 +197,13 @@

Re: [dev] [last] lastfm interface

2009-09-05 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 10:13:56PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: I actually switched from Last.FM to Pandora a few months ago, so I suppose things may have changed since the last time I used it. I'll look into it later. Pandora is U.S. only. I know. That's the beauity of hegemony. Anyway, jus

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread Suraj Kurapati
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:56 AM, QUINTIN Guillaume wrote: > Do you guys know a (working) typesetting system other than latex ? Although not a true typesetting system, my ERBook project[1] attempts to bridge the gap between traditional static, for-print styling (i.e. TeX) and modern interactive, on-

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-05 Thread Suraj Kurapati
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > Mate Nagy dixit (2009-09-05, 12:17): >>  Books on paper are great, although the interface is a bit dated; I'd >> much rather have the 90dpi PDA screen that remembers my position in >> multiple books, and sometimes I can even search for stuff.