Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Leandro Chescotta
arch linux here... :P but looking at freebsd lately, only not trying it because of the hardware of my msi wind, that has more linux support On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Antony Jepson wrote: >> I'm not sure if this has been asked before (

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:10:41 -0300 Leandro Chescotta wrote: > arch linux here... :P but looking at freebsd lately, only not trying > it because of the hardware of my msi wind, that has more linux support > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Kurt H Maier > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Claudio M. Alessi
I think you are a bit wrong. I'm not a Gentoo supporter, I used Debian since I can't image a way to handle packages better than it. OTOH the best OS I ever try is NetBSD. It uses pkgsrc as main packages system which, similar is needed in order to install most of the third party packages (without wh

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Kris Maglione dixit (2009-06-20, 00:33): > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:21:54AM -0400, Antony Jepson wrote: > >I've been eyeing Crux lately but maybe Gentoo would be a better > >choice? If it makes a difference, I currently use Arch. > > “Gentoo is for ricers.” Stay away from it unless you're the

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread bharder
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:04:54AM +0200, Claudio M. Alessi wrote: > I think you are a bit wrong. I'm not a Gentoo supporter, I used Debian since I > can't image a way to handle packages better than it. OTOH the best OS I ever > try is NetBSD. It uses pkgsrc as main packages system which, similar i

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi, 2009/6/20 Antony Jepson > I'm not sure if this has been asked before (although I did do a quick > search of ) but what distributions do you guys use on > a daily basis?  I recently built a new computer and I'm looking for a > good OS to install on there. > > I've been eyeing Crux lately but m

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Paul Malherbe
I totally agree with your comments. I have been using gentoo in corporate environments for the past 5 years mainly as servers but also as desktop systems and yet have to find another distro to compare with its flexibility and package management. Regards Paul Malherbe +27 (0) 21 67118

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Jimmy Tang
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:24:23AM +0200, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > > This is a common misconception that dates from years ago. Now the loud > wannabe Gentoo ricer kids have all died out of boredom or got day jobs > and Gentoo is happily used in production as a high quality distro with > great mana

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > That way I can set up a system in a matter of 2 hours and get back to > work again, which I want to spend my time with, mainly st and dwm > nowadays. Ubuntu is an utter nightmare to use on anything but a "workstation" system. They ship brok

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Ross Mohn
+1 on the Gentoo misconception. It's a very flexible, very easy, and very good distro. -RPM Antoni Grzymala wrote: Kris Maglione dixit (2009-06-20, 00:33): On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:21:54AM -0400, Antony Jepson wrote: I've been eyeing Crux lately but maybe Gentoo would be a better

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Paul Malherbe wrote: > I totally agree with your comments. I have been using gentoo in corporate > environments for the past 5 years mainly as servers but also as desktop > systems and yet have to find another distro to compare with its flexibility > and package man

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Thomas Gallen
> You guys running Gentoo in production environments either have an > infinite amount of time or else tiny little production environments. Or they know what they're doing and how they want to do it. > AFAIK there's no Gentoo equivalent of FAI [1] or kickstart [2], and > without tools like that a

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Thomas Gallen
Are you referring to manual installation of packages or using the package management system to install packages in alternate locations? If it's the latter: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/amd64/187813 (Though I admit I do the former so I can't say I've tried these.) If it's the forme

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Thomas Gallen wrote: > Are you referring to manual installation of packages or using the > package management system to install packages in alternate locations? If > it's the latter: I develop software for a production system that is often lagging behind the mains

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Thomas Gallen
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Thomas Gallen wrote: > > Are you referring to manual installation of packages or using the > > package management system to install packages in alternate locations? If > > it's the latter: > > I develop software for a production system that is often lagging > be

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Jacob Todd
I use Gentoo. I have complete control over my system, and Gentoo gives me that. Plus I have half as many packages installed on my system because they aren't compiled with every DE intergrated into it, like they were on debian. On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:21:54AM -0400, Antony Jepson wrote: > I'm no

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Thomas Gallen wrote: > You are correct, we don't give fancy names to automating our > installations (at least not that I'm aware of). If stock Gentoo installation tools work for rolling out unattended installs to many diverse workstations, a couple dozen servers, a

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Jack Woehr
There's already a BSD distrib that sucks less. It's called OpenBSD! -- Jack J. Woehr# I run for public office from time to time. It's like http://www.well.com/~jax # working out at the gym, you sweat a lot, don't get http://www.softwoehr.com # anywhere, and you fall asleep easily afte

[dev] Re: dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-20 Thread Anselm R Garbe
An initial version of the new xinerama support is committed into hg, it's not finished/polished yet, but the basics are usable already. During the development I decided to have a bar per monitor, instead of just one bar. It's less confusing that way. Monitors are currently selected through pressin

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread miles
I, like many others, distro hopped for a while until I found archlinux. I use it on desktop and server. However, when it comes to laptops I use os x because it would be a waste of time to put any other unix-y os on there and have the same hardware support. Anyways, arch is the last linux distr

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Thomas Gallen wrote: > Has setting PYTHONPATH/the module search path not worked out when you > changed it? I think the search path precedence is current directory, > then PYTHONPATH, then the default module search path. If that's not > working then there's somethin

Re: [dev] [off topic] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Robert Corsaro
I preidct another round of annoying UNSUBSCRIBE emails. Sorry for top posting, I'm on a blackberry. - Original Message - From: Kurt H Maier To: dev mail list Sent: Sat Jun 20 10:45:11 2009 Subject: Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution? On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Thomas G

Re: [dev] Re: dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-20 Thread miles
I have dual monitors at work so I'm real excited to try this out on monday. My current solution is a custom patched dwm. It works but isn't optimal --Original Message-- From: Anselm R Garbe To: dev mail list ReplyTo: dev mail list Subject: [dev] Re: dwm development continues NOW Sent:

Re: [dev] [off topic] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Thayer Williams
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Robert Corsaro wrote: > I preidct another round of annoying UNSUBSCRIBE emails.  Sorry for top > posting,  I'm on a blackberry. Meh I think the OP posed a question that many of us have been pondering--this is the good kind of off-topic subject...so long as it does

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Thomas Gallen
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:45:11AM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Thomas Gallen wrote: > > You are correct, we don't give fancy names to automating our > > installations (at least not that I'm aware of). > > If stock Gentoo installation tools work for rolling out una

Re: [dev] [off topic] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Thomas Gallen
I've been encouraged to take a look at Arch lately by a friend that likes it a lot. I moved to Gentoo from Slackware 8 a while ago and that's highlighted even more by the fact that they're at Slackware 12.2 now and pushing 13 (wow, it's been a while). I'll probably try them both out again now that

Re: [dev] [off topic] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Ammar James
1. Gentoo 2. FreeBSD However, ccurrently using Arch on my netbook since it uses a flash HD (SSD) and i dont want to perform too many writes to it. Ideal fantasy: LFS + some simple package manager (pkgsrc? something new?) On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Gallen wrote: > I've been encoura

Re: [dev] [off topic] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Ricardo Lanziano
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Ammar James wrote: > However, ccurrently using Arch on my netbook since it uses a flash HD > (SSD) and i dont want to perform too many writes to it. Try a binary distro if you don't want to kill your HD :( > Ideal fantasy: LFS + some simple package manager (pkgsr

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Uriel
Agreed, OpenBSD is far from perfect, but it sucks much less than any other *nix system out there this days. Peace uriel On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jack Woehr wrote: > There's already a BSD distrib that sucks less. It's called OpenBSD! > > -- > Jack J. Woehr            # I run for public of

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-20 Thread Michael
Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Afterwards the next item will be the interface integration to enable > different drawing backends, which will ease porting to cairo/pango or > xft as well. The advantage is, that the same interface will be used in > st and dmenu as well. This is basically the remainder of my

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-20 Thread Jacob Todd
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 02:53:10AM +0400, Michael wrote: > Anselm R Garbe wrote: > > Afterwards the next item will be the interface integration to enable > > different drawing backends, which will ease porting to cairo/pango or > > xft as well. The advantage is, that the same interface will be used

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-20 Thread Uriel
I thought we had agreed against having multiple drawing backends... this will add considerable complexity for no gain at all. uriel > Afterwards the next item will be the interface integration to enable > different drawing backends, which will ease porting to cairo/pango or > xft as well. The adv

Re: [dev] unsubscribe

2009-06-20 Thread Roman Belikin
I would be happy to unsubscribe myself, BUT it's don't work. I sent million letters to dev+unsubscr...@suckless.org etc. Please, talk me, what i have to do for unsubcribe Thanks a lot > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 15:26, Kris Maglione wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:18:15PM +0800, Ludovic Gué

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-20 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Uriel wrote: > I thought we had agreed against having multiple drawing backends... > this will add considerable complexity for no gain at all. > > uriel Separating rendering code out hardly creates "no gain at all." Some of us would like to use dwm with something

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Fernan Bolando
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Uriel wrote: > Agreed, OpenBSD is far from perfect, but it sucks much less than any > other *nix system out there this days. > > Peace > > uriel > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jack Woehr wrote: >> There's already a BSD distrib that sucks less. It's called Open