Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-11 Thread Chris Palmer
David Thiel writes: > the least, just check an environment variable for a certificate store, and > if it's there, verify and turn the status bar green. Otherwise, it stays > red. Agreed. And +1 for trying a TOFU-only experiment; that could be exciting.

Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-10 Thread David Thiel
On 02/09/10 23:54, Alexander Surma wrote: > Well, the connection is definitely encrypted. Regardless of a man in > the middle or not ;) > However - I see your point. > My suggestion would be, that we allow yet another userscript to handle > this. I for one do not care for verifying certificates. Bu

Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-09 Thread Alexander Surma
Well, the connection is definitely encrypted. Regardless of a man in the middle or not ;) However - I see your point. My suggestion would be, that we allow yet another userscript to handle this. I for one do not care for verifying certificates. But for those who do, some kind of interface would be

Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-09 Thread David E. Thiel
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 06:56:39PM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: > SSL can do two things: > > 1) provide site-to-site encryption Without certificate verification in some form, you have no way of knowing that. Your connection could be decrypted and re-encrypted by any number of parties along the way

Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-09 Thread Antoni Grzymala
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:56:39 -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Chris Palmer > wrote: >> Letting people believe that any SSL connection is good is actually worse >> than nothing, because it creates a false sense of security. >> >> I have serious qualms about depending on

Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-09 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Chris Palmer wrote: > Letting people believe that any SSL connection is good is actually worse > than nothing, because it creates a false sense of security. > > I have serious qualms about depending on CAs (the false sense of security > they engender is even more of