Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Aled Gest dixit (2009-11-13, 21:10): > > If you would care for a pleasant > > (really) weekend with Lisp, try installing SBCL (a popular Common Lisp > > implementation) on your OS and have a look at Peter Seibel's great > > introductory (and more) book on Common Lisp: > > > > http://www.gigamonkey

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Moritz Wilhelmy
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:43:40AM +0200, Dmitry Maluka wrote: > Now, let's stop this discussion. Or we can continue it under the > perspective of improving the C preprocessor, that's an interesting > subject. +1

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Martin Swift
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 05:25:09PM +0100, Mate Nagy wrote: > please stop posting Please don't. I for one find this discussion somewhat interesting, not the least for the effort to exchange logically sound argumets. It's a refreshing alternative to the empty and useless mud-slinging that all too o

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Dmitry Maluka
> I don't see the point of writing complex macros to subdue a language to > my taste, when I could just as easily use another language. Why not try Lisp as another language? Macros are not necessarily kludges (though C macros are). They are a tool for code simplification and decomposition. Anothe

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Aled Gest
2009/11/13 Antoni Grzymala : > It's getting very much off topic. That's why it's marked with [OT], and that's why I moved it out of the Go thread. I suspect the objection is more to do with people not liking to hear criticism about things they're fond of. > If you would care for a pleasant > (rea

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Aled Gest dixit (2009-11-13, 16:27): > 2009/11/13 Mate Nagy : > >  please stop posting > > Why? It's getting very much off topic. If you would care for a pleasant (really) weekend with Lisp, try installing SBCL (a popular Common Lisp implementation) on your OS and have a look at Peter Seibel's g

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Aled Gest
2009/11/13 Mate Nagy : >  please stop posting Why?

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Mate Nagy
Hello, On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 04:22:48PM +, Aled Gest wrote: > Please don't fallaciously assume I don't know anything just because > I'm criticizing a Language you're fanatical about. > I agree, no language can directly accommodate all needs, but if I find > my self wanting to write ugly macr

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Aled Gest
2009/11/13 Moritz Wilhelmy : > In lisp, the macros are part of the language and don't hide anything. > The syntax itself is lisp, with all it's parentheses. I'm only going by what Dimitry Maluka was suggesting in his e-mail. I don't see the point of writing complex macros to subdue a language to m