Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-11 Thread Chris Palmer
David Thiel writes: > the least, just check an environment variable for a certificate store, and > if it's there, verify and turn the status bar green. Otherwise, it stays > red. Agreed. And +1 for trying a TOFU-only experiment; that could be exciting.

Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-10 Thread David Thiel
On 02/09/10 23:54, Alexander Surma wrote: > Well, the connection is definitely encrypted. Regardless of a man in > the middle or not ;) > However - I see your point. > My suggestion would be, that we allow yet another userscript to handle > this. I for one do not care for verifying certificates. Bu

Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-09 Thread Alexander Surma
Well, the connection is definitely encrypted. Regardless of a man in the middle or not ;) However - I see your point. My suggestion would be, that we allow yet another userscript to handle this. I for one do not care for verifying certificates. But for those who do, some kind of interface would be

Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-09 Thread David E. Thiel
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 06:56:39PM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: > SSL can do two things: > > 1) provide site-to-site encryption Without certificate verification in some form, you have no way of knowing that. Your connection could be decrypted and re-encrypted by any number of parties along the way

Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-09 Thread Antoni Grzymala
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:56:39 -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Chris Palmer > wrote: >> Letting people believe that any SSL connection is good is actually worse >> than nothing, because it creates a false sense of security. >> >> I have serious qualms about depending on

Re: [dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-09 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Chris Palmer wrote: > Letting people believe that any SSL connection is good is actually worse > than nothing, because it creates a false sense of security. > > I have serious qualms about depending on CAs (the false sense of security > they engender is even more of

[dev] Surf assumes all SSL connections are good, which is bad

2010-02-09 Thread Chris Palmer
I really like that Surf shows a red bar for HTTP connections and a green bar for HTTPS connections. The trouble is, Surf has no store of CA certificates, so can't be verifying server certificates. It is just assuming that any SSL connection is good. However, active network attacks are so easy to p