On 11/3/11, Kai Hendry wrote:
> I'd prefer if you mocked me. http://geekout.org.uk/ or
> http://hendry.iki.fi/ or http://greptweet.com/ ... I'll listen to your
> criticisms!
>
What does the following excerpt from http://geekout.org.uk/ mean?
Poland
I'm simply saying that a lot of web designer types are now
beginning to understand that the way we're looking at the
web is actually a valid viewpoint.
On 3 November 2011 13:59, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> Absolutely correct. The problem is cultural, not technical, and no
> amount of standards revision will help.
Ok we've formed an elitist enclave without those "magazine-trained
designers"... so now what?
Spend our days taking the piss out of them?
In my experience, this is getting better. We're now seeing universities
with web media degrees or focuses, which imparts this understanding
of data structure first and style later. It's not perfect, but it's better than
it was in 1998. For instance, they still teach UA sniffing and similar
techniqu
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Bryan Bennett wrote:
> This is the crux of the problem. Couldn't have expressed the issue
> better myself.
> We need to train designers and developers to truly separate content
> from presentation
> and then impart meaningful hierarchy upon the actual data. This wil
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Stephen Paul Weber
wrote:
> Perhaps you love the WHATWG enough to miss the point: we keep hiring
> magazine-trained designers to build websites. Standards can't fix that.
This is the crux of the problem. Couldn't have expressed the issue
better myself.
We need to
Somebody claiming to be Kai Hendry wrote:
As someone who has been a bit of WHATWG/HTML5 fan boy over the years,
I find the latest round of dev list Web moaning a little naive to say
the least. Unless you guys are trying to be funny or sarcastic (aka
lowest form of wit). Sometimes it's hard to tel
As someone who has been a bit of WHATWG/HTML5 fan boy over the years,
I find the latest round of dev list Web moaning a little naive to say
the least. Unless you guys are trying to be funny or sarcastic (aka
lowest form of wit). Sometimes it's hard to tell. :)
If you are moaning about "Web designe
On 11/03/11 at 09:14am, Nick wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 10:03:20AM +0100, Pierre Chapuis wrote:
> the technology. It's the people who are charged with "web
> design" in our brand obsessed world. Making the web
> increasingly more difficult to use and more unpleasant for
> us all. And I don't
On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 10:03:20AM +0100, Pierre Chapuis wrote:
> I would say the closest thing to that currently on the
> Web is Atom. I could imagine a Web of content where text documents
> are written in Markdown and structured data is Atom or something
> similar built on JSON.
Indeed. Or RDF/T
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