On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:25:48PM +0200, Kamil Cholewiński wrote:
>
> I don't mean to run GMail, but just basic web browsing: render text,
> follow links, show images, terminal or X.
>
> K.
I discovered retawq [1] lately, a terminal web browser. It does not
have an as low number of lines as the
On Mon, 02 May 2016, Bobby Powers wrote:
> Go is a _much_ simpler language than C.
And yet it still includes a fair share of insanity. The binary size is
not an effect of some random silly magic #ifdef MAKE_BULKY, it's the
effect of linking the userspace scheduler, GC, and Ken knows what else
in
Hi,
Kamil Cholewiński wrote:
> Compiler-level seatbelts are too good not to have! That's how I'd see
> THE candidate to replace C: safe by default, full control only when you
> need it. Add: actually simple (looking at you, Go, Rust), and we'd
> finally have a worthy contender.
Go is a _much_ sim
On Mon, 02 May 2016, Leo Gaspard wrote:
> To get closer to the original topic, I think rust is among the best
> choices for a webkit replacement. A webkit replacement *will* be huge,
> bloated and sucky. It's pretty sad, but most of us need a way to access
> sucky websites that won't work without
On 04/30/2016 03:04 PM, ra...@openmailbox.org wrote:
> On 2016-04-30 11:47, Kajetan Jasztal wrote:
>> how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel rendering
>>
>> [1] https://servo.org/
>
> There is a lot of hype about rust being 'memory safe' but where is the
> proof?
AFAICT, P
WOW. The compile took 7 mins but there was only 1 (ONE) warning and NO
errors after i installed libXmu-devel on my server. The bad news: it
doesnt run on an X11 tunnel
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Aditya Goturu wrote:
> Argh. Compile failed. But i found out some more interesting things.
> The
Argh. Compile failed. But i found out some more interesting things.
The BUILD SYSTEM depends on python and DBUS. Also, when the compile
finished, it popped up a GUI notification (!), on the machine on which
i ssh -Yed into the build server...
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Aditya Goturu wrote:
Cargo pulling in libs for servo on a system with just rustc installed:
Updating registry `https://github.com/rust-lang/crates.io-index`
Updating git repository `https://github.com/servo/rust-layers`
Updating git repository `https://github.com/servo/webrender`
Updating git repository
On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 01:23:54PM +0200, Sanel Zukan wrote:
> Mitt Green writes:
> >> but find me portable and usable C UI toolkit
> >> without tons of dependencies
> >
> > Tcl/Tk
>
> Hell yeah +1
Tk x11 widget toolkit needs Tcl scripting language...
Not a lean set of C libs... :(
--
Sylva
On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 12:14:20AM +0200, FRIGN wrote:
> C is definitely not suckless either, especially when it comes
> to UB, but it's probably the language with least suck and
> highest simplicity while giving the most power to the developer.
+1
:)
--
Sylvain
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 10:24:31AM +1100, Sylvain BERTRAND wrote:
> Additionnaly, the "modern" www tends to force the user to have a script-able
> www browser, even though many www sites could provide their services with a
> noscript www browser through a cleverly crafted main www portal or a dedic
On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 05:20:08PM +0200, Sanel Zukan wrote:
> Sylvain BERTRAND writes:
> >> pthreads are bad? Really?
> >
> > c++ is _really_ bad, indeed.
>
> I think I mentioned pthreads, not c++ :)
Anyway, c++ is still _really_ bad and light years away from suckless philosophy.
Have a look a
On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:54:39 +0200
Kamil Cholewiński wrote:
Hey Kamil,
> You don't need a proof, you only need a significant improvement upon C,
> which Rust delivers.
the big drawback of Rust in my opinion is lack of readability.
There are too many things to do one thing and it suffers from
th
Sylvain BERTRAND writes:
>> pthreads are bad? Really?
>
> c++ is _really_ bad, indeed.
I think I mentioned pthreads, not c++ :)
>> dependencies (gtk, I look at you).
>
> https://github.com/sylware/misc/blob/master/gtk-utox/gtk-utox.sh
This probably works for you with prepared source of perl (??
Sanel Zukan writes:
> > - FLTK is 100k sloc C++; includes support for Cairo, GL, kitchen sinks
>
> All these things can be disabled at compile time. Maybe you are not fond
> of C++, but find me portable and usable C UI toolkit without tons of
> dependencies (gtk, I look at you).
libagar?
--
Ant
On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 11:58:36AM +0200, Sanel Zukan wrote:
> Kamil Cholewiński writes:
> > Bad stuff:
> >
> > - C++, autohell, pthreads
>
> pthreads are bad? Really?
c++ is _really_ bad, indeed.
> dependencies (gtk, I look at you).
https://github.com/sylware/misc/blob/master/gtk-utox/gtk-uto
Mitt Green writes:
>> but find me portable and usable C UI toolkit
>> without tons of dependencies
>
> Tcl/Tk
Hell yeah +1
Sanel
> but find me portable and usable C UI toolkit
> without tons of dependencies
Tcl/Tk
Kamil Cholewiński writes:
> Bad stuff:
>
> - C++, autohell, pthreads
pthreads are bad? Really?
> - FLTK is 100k sloc C++; includes support for Cairo, GL, kitchen sinks
All these things can be disabled at compile time. Maybe you are not fond
of C++, but find me portable and usable C UI toolkit w
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 04:09:28PM -0700, Menche wrote:
> On Sun, 1 May 2016 10:04:37 +1100
> Sylvain BERTRAND wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 12:47:36PM +0200, Kajetan Jasztal wrote:
> > > how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel rendering
> > >
> > > [1] https://serv
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 08:53:35PM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote:
> [0] http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
I was looking at netsurf to add the javascript/DOM bits required for online
banking (my bank
account and online payement).
But it seems rather not that easy to get into it. I will give it another
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 12:47:36PM +0200, Kajetan Jasztal wrote:
> how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel rendering
>
> [1] https://servo.org/
At least servo can be compiled with a simple ISO C99 compiler and limited
SDK... unlike gcc with its mandatory ISO c++98.
--
Syl
On 30 April 2016 at 12:47, Kajetan Jasztal wrote:
> how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel rendering
>
> [1] https://servo.org/
I'd rather suggest NetSurf[0]. The idea is a couple of years old, but
one could consider forking it and remove all clutter from it, to form
a kin
On Sat, 30 Apr 2016, ra...@openmailbox.org wrote:
> There is a lot of hype about rust being 'memory safe' but where is the
> proof?
You don't need a proof, you only need a significant improvement upon C,
which Rust delivers.
> secondly 1 in every 100 lines of servo is an 'unsafe {' directive.
I
On Sat, 30 Apr 2016, Ben Woolley wrote:
> You pretty much just described Dillo. Bookmarks exist, but through the
> plugin API only. Memory only cache. CSS and SSL support, but no JS.
> About the only thing I could see counted against it is that it is C++
> and not C, but imagine the "magic" that i
On 2016-04-30 11:47, Kajetan Jasztal wrote:
how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel
rendering
[1] https://servo.org/
There is a lot of hype about rust being 'memory safe' but where is the
proof?
secondly 1 in every 100 lines of servo is an 'unsafe {' directive.
On t
how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel rendering
[1] https://servo.org/
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> On Apr 29, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Sylvain BERTRAND
> wrote:
>
> The main issue is java/ecma script on the "www DOM" (Document Object Model):
> Between noscript www browser code requirements and script-able www browser
> code
> requirements, there is an abyss in size and comp
> On Apr 29, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Kamil Cholewiński wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote:
>> Greetings.
>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:58:08 +0200 Jochen Sprickerhof
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> just saw this commit:
>>>
>>> http://git.suckless.org/sites/commit
The main issue is java/ecma script on the "www DOM" (Document Object Model):
Between noscript www browser code requirements and script-able www browser code
requirements, there is an abyss in size and complexity.
Additionnaly, the "modern" www tends to force the user to have a script-able
www brow
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:58:08 +0200 Jochen Sprickerhof
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> just saw this commit:
>>
>> http://git.suckless.org/sites/commit/?id=6e3450a047c5f7eda300f68814f7b1dfd499119e
>>
>> Can someone (@Christoph
On 2016-04-29 16:23, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
Hi,
just saw this commit:
http://git.suckless.org/sites/commit/?id=6e3450a047c5f7eda300f68814f7b1dfd499119e
Can someone (@Christoph) please specify which version of Webkit and
which
packaging is meant and what are the symptoms of hell?
Thanks!
Greetings.
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:58:08 +0200 Jochen Sprickerhof
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> just saw this commit:
>
> http://git.suckless.org/sites/commit/?id=6e3450a047c5f7eda300f68814f7b1dfd499119e
>
> Can someone (@Christoph) please specify which version of Webkit and which
> packaging is meant and
Hi,
just saw this commit:
http://git.suckless.org/sites/commit/?id=6e3450a047c5f7eda300f68814f7b1dfd499119e
Can someone (@Christoph) please specify which version of Webkit and which
packaging is meant and what are the symptoms of hell?
Thanks!
Jochen
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