Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread Josuah Demangeon
sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com: > Useless to spend time on this, since guile is not suckless. I am curious about the languages that you would consider suckless. I learned POSIX shell scripting and awk, I am also trying C and a few lua. Is there something else you would advise to learn or somethi

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread Jean Louis
On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 06:23:53PM +, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 03:45:40PM +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > > Your statement is inadequate and generalized. Review the history of > > Guile and see why it came into the existence. > > Useless to spend time on this, sin

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread sylvain . bertrand
On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 03:45:40PM +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > Your statement is inadequate and generalized. Review the history of > Guile and see why it came into the existence. Useless to spend time on this, since guile is not suckless. The only thing interesting related to guile is its removal

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread Jean Louis
On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 10:05:04AM +, Cág wrote: > Mark Weber wrote:: > >> Nix is C++, Perl and autotools. > > * There are attempts to get rid of Perl > > (don't know about status) > > * for the nix lanugage there are two > > alternative implementations > > - guix (uses guile scheme) > > - an e

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread sylvain . bertrand
c++/python/haskell/perl/bash/etc are not suckless, period. -- Sylvain

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread Cág
Mark Weber wrote:: >> Nix is C++, Perl and autotools. > * There are attempts to get rid of Perl > (don't know about status) > * for the nix lanugage there are two > alternative implementations > - guix (uses guile scheme) > - an experimental JS implementation Guile only replaces Perl in Guix, but

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread Marc Weber
nixos.org -> you can have distributed builds without sacrifying the running system (sandoxed) => also allows keeping multiple setups on disk so that you can switch or run them in a virtual machine for testing gentoo -> rebuilding X -> you cannot

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread S. Gilles
On 2017-02-01T08:35:32+, Cág wrote: > Marc Collin wrote: > > > Gentoo's init system (OpenRC) could soon > > move from Makefiles to Meson and add > > python3 and ninja to dependencies because > > of it. > > https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/issues/116 > > Isn't Portage written in Python? Gentoo

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread Marc Weber
> Nix is C++, Perl and autotools. * There are attempts to get rid of Perl (don't know about status) * for the nix lanugage there are two alternative implementations - guix (uses guile scheme) - an experimental JS implementation There are two aspects which can suck A) the language being used B) t

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread Cág
Mark Weber wrote: > nixos.org sucks less AFAIK (its deterministic), > but sometimes it sucks that some packages > haven't been packaged yet - but many have.. Nix is C++, Perl and autotools. > All packages for distros could be derived from > such. pkgsrc? Cág

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread Marc Weber
> Isn't Portage written in Python? There is an Haskell implementation (or was), too. nixos.org sucks less AFAIK (its deterministic), but sometimes it sucks that some packages haven't been packaged yet - but many have.. Still there is one remaining problem: A suckless cross platform language depe

Re: [dev] Re: Linux distros that don't suck too too much

2017-02-01 Thread Cág
Marc Collin wrote: > Gentoo's init system (OpenRC) could soon > move from Makefiles to Meson and add > python3 and ninja to dependencies because > of it. > https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/issues/116 Isn't Portage written in Python? Gentoo uses glibc, coreutils, the package manager is in Python a