Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Steve Ryan
Does it really matter whether it's ideal or not? Ideal is such a relative term after all. Some people might find it ideal, some not. I think it's an interesting hack, but (no offence to Patrick of course) not ideal for me. However, I still am in full support of the continued development of this

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Rob
> Rob, > > Without a real context it is difficult to measure if lack-of-configuration > is laziness on the programmers part, or the genius of simplicity. Simplicity > indicates a programmer who anticipate the needs of the user in such a way > that it removes their constraints and increases performa

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:03 PM, wrote: > sed 's/.*/#&$&@/' /var/log/messages > /dev/audio > > somewhat boring ;) This might be the world's most accurate Wagner emulator. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread u
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 03:33:25PM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:48 PM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Do you want to tell me that sed, awk and cat is "ideal software"? > > > > sed is not ideal software for listening to music, is it? > > Are you recommending itune

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:48 PM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Do you want to tell me that sed, awk and cat is "ideal software"? > > sed is not ideal software for listening to music, is it? Are you recommending itunes as a window manager? -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Sean Howard
It (might be) ideal software for text modification and regex. Ideal software doesn't do everything. In fact, it is often suboptimal software that does everything. On 2 March 2011 12:48, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Do you want to tell me that sed, awk and cat is "ideal software"? > > sed

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread hiro
Do you want to tell me that sed, awk and cat is "ideal software"? sed is not ideal software for listening to music, is it? On 3/2/11, Rob wrote: > On 2 March 2011 15:11, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> On 3/2/11, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >>> I'm saying that ideal software is barely configur

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Michael Farnbach
Rob, Without a real context it is difficult to measure if lack-of-configuration is laziness on the programmers part, or the genius of simplicity. Simplicity indicates a programmer who anticipate the needs of the user in such a way that it removes their constraints and increases performance to achi

Re: [dev] [wmii] likely memory leak

2011-03-02 Thread Roman Belov
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 12:00:12AM +0300, Roman Belov wrote: > Sorry for misinformation. It was wrong stack trace. This call does not > correspond the target malloc(48) without free(). I will update this > thread a bit later. > I confused a various versions of wmii/libixp. Actually, problem was f

Re: [dev] dwm: monocle view

2011-03-02 Thread Niki Yoshiuchi
I am unfortunately on a Windows machine right now (at work) but if I understand you correctly, this is by design. alt+j/k moves the focus. Think about what happens when you hit alt+j/k in tile mode to set the focus on a window in the stack. If you then launch a new window, the new window becomes

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Rob
On 2 March 2011 15:11, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On 3/2/11, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> I'm saying that ideal software is barely configurable. > > Ideal for what purpose? > "Barely" anything doesn't carry information if you put it in context > with "ideal". > You should have said: Ideal s

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread hiro
On 3/2/11, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > I'm saying that ideal software is barely configurable. Ideal for what purpose? "Barely" anything doesn't carry information if you put it in context with "ideal". You should have said: Ideal software doesn't suck.

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread hiro
Yes, I use this machine every day for playing music with mpd and light browsing like gmail with dillo. It is fanless and runs from a DOM. You naturally avoid flash & java scripts, but most sites in the internet are a waste of time anyway. I really like my current setup, but I will probably get a k

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 12:59:11PM +, hiro wrote: > So you say wmii is bad because it's less work to fiddle around with? I'm saying that ideal software is barely configurable. > I use it because I like the default configuration better than dwm's. > I run it on old celerons and 64mb ram. Speed

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread hiro
Patrick, sqweek's comment was ironic! On 3/2/11, sqweek wrote: > On 27 February 2011 01:01, Patrick Haller <201009-suckl...@haller.ws> wrote: >> yup. WMs usually bind several orthogonals: window manipulation / >> decoration, keyboard shortcuts. focus management. > > Nice. Each task is so simple

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread hiro
So you say wmii is bad because it's less work to fiddle around with? I use it because I like the default configuration better than dwm's. I run it on old celerons and 64mb ram. Speed is not an issue.

[dev] dwm: monocle view

2011-03-02 Thread Marcin Szamotulski
--- Begin Message --- I found that in monocle layout there is some confusing behaviour of dwm: In tiled layout the previous opened window is always under the freshly opened one (hit alt+shift+enter to get new terminal window and then your previously focused window is under

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread pancake
+1 On 03/02/11 10:58, Anselm R Garbe wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 05:48:43PM +0800, Patrick Haller wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:32:40AM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: If you understand some of the C functions of dwm as Unix processes than you are pretty close to realise, one can play thin

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 05:48:43PM +0800, Patrick Haller wrote: > On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:32:40AM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > > > > If you understand some of the C functions of dwm as Unix processes > > than you are pretty close to realise, one can play things pretty much > > Unix like, but i

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Patrick Haller
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:32:40AM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > > If you understand some of the C functions of dwm as Unix processes > than you are pretty close to realise, one can play things pretty much > Unix like, but if the LOC adds up dramatically at the bottom line, it > is probably not wo

Re: [dev] [dwm] fix status bar cropping on screen resize

2011-03-02 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Mark, many thanks for investigating this annoying issue. You traced it further than I did the last time when I concluded xrandr -s does something bitchy. I will look through your proposed patches on Friday and apply the portions that make most sense. I need to understand the problem while debug

Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-03-02 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 2 March 2011 04:36, sqweek wrote: > On 27 February 2011 01:01, Patrick Haller <201009-suckl...@haller.ws> wrote: >> yup. WMs usually bind several orthogonals: window manipulation / >> decoration, keyboard shortcuts. focus management. > >  Nice. Each task is so simple broken down like this :) A