Re: [dev] Suckless mail client solution?

2009-10-18 Thread Moritz Wilhelmy
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:56:00AM -0400, Robert C Corsaro wrote: > markus schnalke wrote: >> [2009-10-15 21:47] sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de >>> Well, I can't tell which view is more useful in mutt -- threaded or >>> timeline. Which is proved by the fact that I have changed couple of times >>> in the

[dev] [surf][patch] history

2009-10-18 Thread Jason Thigpen
a lame history patch for surf 0.2 history.diff Description: Binary data

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Kurt H Maier dixit (2009-10-18, 16:56): > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > > Kurt H Maier dixit (2009-10-18, 14:31): > >> I communicate with people all over the world, and ASCII seems to do > >> the trick.  Where's the impetus to change, again? > > > > In Hungarian? Other

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Moritz Wilhelmy
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 04:56:03PM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > > Kurt H Maier dixit (2009-10-18, 14:31): > >> I communicate with people all over the world, and ASCII seems to do > >> the trick.  Where's the impetus to change, again? > > >

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > Kurt H Maier dixit (2009-10-18, 14:31): >> I communicate with people all over the world, and ASCII seems to do >> the trick.  Where's the impetus to change, again? > > In Hungarian? Otherwise, stop trolling now, please. Aww come on I'm jus

Re: [dev] surf - add missing keybinding

2009-10-18 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 05:39:30PM +0200, Uriel wrote: On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Kris Maglione wrote: But, I notice you don't have my nifty hack to make Xorg's compose behavior the same as Plan 9's, so I still come out ahead. :) Ah, please tell me what is the hack! I'd love to add it t

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Kurt H Maier dixit (2009-10-18, 14:31): > > Heh... Especially related to the topic of the thread. From today on you > > will only communicate with your Hungarian colleagues using ASCII. Best > > of luck. > > I communicate with people all over the world, and ASCII seems to do > the trick. Where's

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > Yes, let's ditch our national languages, spelling and diacritics, just > because a minority of users of a niche mailing list bitch about some > apparently failed UTF-8 implementations. You don't have to ditch anything. You'll just be less

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Szabolcs Nagy dixit (2009-10-18, 21:15): > On 10/18/09, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > >> ASCII works just fine, thanks. > > > > Just fine for the Americans? > > fine for anyone who is willing to communicate in english Yes, let's ditch our national languages, spelling and diacritics, just because a m

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 10/18/09, Antoni Grzymala wrote: >> ASCII works just fine, thanks. > > Just fine for the Americans? fine for anyone who is willing to communicate in english

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Kurt H Maier dixit (2009-10-18, 13:36): > > In this day and age, anyone using *any* encoding other than UTF-8 > > need to be lockedup and have the key thrown into a black hole, > > enough harm has been done already by retarded encodings. > > ASCII works just fine, thanks. Just fine for the Ameri

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-10-18 18:35] Anselm R Garbe > 2009/10/18 Tor Aqissiaq : > > XHTML, parsed using an XML parser is very specifically defined and > > does not look different in different browsers, but few people serve > > XHTML documents with the application/xhtml+xml headers, because IE > > refuses to parse

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Uriel wrote: > In this day and age, > anyone using *any* encoding other than UTF-8 need to be lockedup and > have the key thrown into a black hole, enough harm has been done > already by retarded encodings. ASCII works just fine, thanks. I have yet to see a UTF-

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Ilya Ilembitov wrote: > if we take spreadsheets as a presentation tool Why just spreadsheets? Why not /dev/urandom? Or broccoli? -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Tor Aqissiaq
The only reason XHTML did not replace HTML is because IE did not and does not support it. It is no more geekier than HTML. But whether XHTML was or will be adopted by the internet is irrelevent to this discussion as it regards using XHTML for word processing. On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Anse

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/10/18 Tor Aqissiaq : > What is wrong with XHTML? Are you implying that HTML is superior? Only geeks bother to adopt it. XHTML adoption is around 0.1% of all web pages, and it is unlikely to take over the world. All browsers and the web trend travel towards HTML5 for quite some time, there is

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Tor Aqissiaq
What is wrong with XHTML? Are you implying that HTML is superior? On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/10/18 Tor Aqissiaq : >> XHTML, parsed using an XML parser is very specifically defined and >> does not look different in different browsers, but few people serve >> XHTM

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Tor Aqissiaq
Styles are well defined, and the only web browser I know of that has ever had problems then is IE. Scripts are not relevent in a word processing context. On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > On 10/18/09, Tor Aqissiaq wrote: >> XHTML, parsed using an XML parser is very specific

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/10/18 Tor Aqissiaq : > XHTML, parsed using an XML parser is very specifically defined and > does not look different in different browsers, but few people serve > XHTML documents with the application/xhtml+xml headers, because IE > refuses to parse XML. XHTML parsed as HTML + no better than HTM

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 10/18/09, Tor Aqissiaq wrote: > XHTML, parsed using an XML parser is very specifically defined and > does not look different in different browsers, yeah especially the

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Tor Aqissiaq
XHTML, parsed using an XML parser is very specifically defined and does not look different in different browsers, but few people serve XHTML documents with the application/xhtml+xml headers, because IE refuses to parse XML. XHTML parsed as HTML + no better than HTML. I already use XHTML for sending

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/10/18 Ilya Ilembitov : > Yes, you got it totally right. But why do you believe that html would be on > par with proprietary formats? I mean, is there any possibility that html > produced by markdown (or similar languages) interpreter won't be displayed > correctly in most of browsers (inclu

Re: [dev] dmenu-vertical (meillo) slow

2009-10-18 Thread Arian Kuschki
Thanks for the confirmation guess there is something wrong with my system then, will have to have a closer look. But nice work anyway (to Fresch or whoever), the vertical patch makes dmenu much more useful for certain things. Cheers Arian On Sun 18, 10:30 +0200, markus schnalke wrote: > [200

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Uriel dixit (2009-10-18, 17:38): > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > > On 10/18/09, Ilya Ilembitov wrote: > >> Oh, ok. It's just I've checked > >> http://lists.suckless.org/dev/0910/index.html > >> - that's why I was alarmed. > >> > >>> Ilya Ilembitov dixit (2009-10-18, 17

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Ilya Ilembitov
Yes, you got it totally right. But why do you believe that html would be on par with proprietary formats? I mean, is there any possibility that html produced by markdown (or similar languages) interpreter won't be displayed correctly in most of browsers (including IE)? I thought it's basic and s

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/10/18 Илья Илембитов : > I believe I made some progress with my little research concerning suckless > word processing. > Basically, I realised that things get much easier as soon as we realize that > there is no need for paper-centric formats. > > First, there is no standard here, that is co

Re: [dev] surf - add missing keybinding

2009-10-18 Thread Uriel
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Kris Maglione wrote: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 03:08:22AM +0200, Uriel wrote: >> >> Hmmm... Just curious, but what exactly is possible now? I checked the >> attached file, but the relevant lines seemed to be the same that I had >> in: http://unix-kb.cat-v.org/GTK_2

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Uriel
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > On 10/18/09, Ilya Ilembitov wrote: >> Oh, ok. It's just I've checked http://lists.suckless.org/dev/0910/index.html >> - that's why I was alarmed. >> >>> Ilya Ilembitov dixit (2009-10-18, 17:35): >>> > Oops, sorry for those weird symbols. I f

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Uriel
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> wtf is all this spamming about?! > > He wants to save his spreadsheets in HTML.  I wouldn't bother reading it. WTF indeed! Is this for real? Its got to be some kind of si

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 10/18/09, Ilya Ilembitov wrote: > Oh, ok. It's just I've checked http://lists.suckless.org/dev/0910/index.html > - that's why I was alarmed. > >> Ilya Ilembitov dixit (2009-10-18, 17:35): >> > Oops, sorry for those weird symbols. I forgot to check the language in >> > which my name will appear

Re: [dev] Suckless mail client solution?

2009-10-18 Thread Robert C Corsaro
markus schnalke wrote: [2009-10-15 21:47] sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de Well, I can't tell which view is more useful in mutt -- threaded or timeline. Which is proved by the fact that I have changed couple of times in the past the default view from one to another, and switched views at least once a d

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Ilya Ilembitov
Well, spreadsheets weren't the only point. Besides, if we take spreadsheets as a presentation tool (and not as an actual calculation solution, in which case several people should be able to work with the same formulas) - why not? If you are sending a paper where the text is accompanied by some d

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Ilya Ilembitov
Oh, ok. It's just I've checked http://lists.suckless.org/dev/0910/index.html - that's why I was alarmed. > Ilya Ilembitov dixit (2009-10-18, 17:35): > > Oops, sorry for those weird symbols. I forgot to check the language in > > which my name will appear on the list. > UTF-8 is not prohibited on t

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > wtf is all this spamming about?! He wants to save his spreadsheets in HTML. I wouldn't bother reading it. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Ilya Ilembitov dixit (2009-10-18, 17:35): > Oops, sorry for those weird symbols. I forgot to check the language in > which my name will appear on the list. UTF-8 is not prohibited on this list. The symbols were perfectly fine, thank you very much :). -- [a]

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Ilya Ilembitov
Oops, sorry for those weird symbols. I forgot to check the language in which my name will appear on the list. > I believe I made some progress with my little research concerning suckless > word processing. > Basically, I realised that things get much easier as soon as we realize that > there is

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Илья Илембитов
Well, as far as I can judge, people use this list not only to discuss the existing suckless.org projects (such as dwm, wmii, surf, st, etc) but also to share their ideas about interfaces and productivity that can later be used for future projects. I've seen people discussing desktop publishing a

Re: [dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread hiro
wtf is all this spamming about?!

[dev] (x)HTML-based office suite? (aka suckless word processing solution-2)

2009-10-18 Thread Илья Илембитов
I believe I made some progress with my little research concerning suckless word processing. Basically, I realised that things get much easier as soon as we realize that there is no need for paper-centric formats. First, there is no standard here, that is correctly supported by all office suites

Re: [dev] dmenu-vertical (meillo) slow

2009-10-18 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-10-17 12:55] Arian Kuschki > > is it just me or does dmenu with meillo's vertical patch applied get slower > and > slower the more lines you specify with the "-l" option? Anything more than > about ten lines is unusable on my t42 using Ubuntu Karmic development version. I don't see any

Re: [dev] Suckless mail client solution?

2009-10-18 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-10-15 21:47] sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de > > Well, I can't tell which view is more useful in mutt -- threaded or > timeline. Which is proved by the fact that I have changed couple of times > in the past the default view from one to another, and switched views at > least once a day anyway. Which