Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2019-03-20 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
I've removed debated line from the document. As we don't have consensus on lazy consensus it is better to start a separate discussion for this topic. I prefer to build consensus here while procedural changes do not require it and Majority Approval is enough. We time to time use lazy consensus, so

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2019-03-18 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
Nikolay, sorry for going off-topic of the current thread. Just a few examples: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8376 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-11521 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-11397 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-11346 https://issues.ap

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2019-03-18 Thread Nikolay Izhikov
Dmitriy. Actually, I doesn't understand your last mail. Do we have some issue to solve? If yes, can you write it down? What fixes need to be reviewed? пн, 18 мар. 2019 г. в 16:31, Dmitriy Pavlov : > I'm not second-guessing someone's motivation. And without a particular > case, it is not reason

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2019-03-18 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
I'm not second-guessing someone's motivation. And without a particular case, it is not reasonable to discuss reasons why a patch is not merged. Silence=agreement in case there was clearly stated about it. Lazy consensus is simply an announcement of 'silence gives assent.' When someone wants to det

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2019-03-18 Thread Anton Vinogradov
In case nobody cares, most likely we have a problem with a contribution or motivation, not with lazy committers :) Please remove the "lazy" phrase, since it can be interpreted as "silence as an agreement" which is always not true. On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:13 PM Dmitriy Pavlov wrote: > Hi, thank

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2019-03-18 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
Hi, thank you all for your replies, I'm happy we discussing it, so we could clearly understand this policy and how to apply it. a committer will always merge the change, was it approved by another contributor/committer/lazy consensus/vote - does not matter. And a committer will be responsible to t

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2019-03-18 Thread Nikolay Izhikov
Hello, Vladimir. Thanks for the detailed answer. I think your statement doesn't differs with Dmitry statement much. Do we have committer who merge without confidence in patch content? If yes, they should stop to do it. пн, 18 мар. 2019 г. в 12:00, Anton Vinogradov : > Huge +1 to "We should stre

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2019-03-18 Thread Anton Vinogradov
Huge +1 to "We should stress out that a patch should be committed if and only if committer is confident with the changes." On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 11:54 AM Vladimir Ozerov wrote: > Hi, > > This is tough question, and first of all I'd like to ask participants to > keep cold head. This is a public

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2019-03-18 Thread Vladimir Ozerov
Hi, This is tough question, and first of all I'd like to ask participants to keep cold head. This is a public question and can be discussed on the dev list safely. On the one hand, it is true that a number of patches are not reviewed for a long time, what negatively affects community development.

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2019-03-18 Thread Anton Vinogradov
Dmitry, Phrase "Code modifications can be approved by silence: by lazy consensus (72h) after Dev.List announcement." looks unacceptable to me. Please roll back the changes and start the discussion at the private list and never do such updates in the future without the discussion. On Fri, Mar 15,

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2019-03-15 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
Hi Igniters, sorry for the late reply. Because this process time to time causes questions, I decided to add a couple of words to our wiki. I've added topics about peer review to HTC https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/How+to+Contribute#HowtoContribute-PeerReviewandLGTM Actually, i

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2018-08-16 Thread Yakov Zhdanov
Dmitry, I like your suggestion very much! And I want everyone to follow. Let's see if it helps. Can I ask everyone who has submitted tickets for review to add a comment described by Dmitry to each ticket submitted and see if any additional check is still required and fix remaining issues? I belie

Re: Peer review: Victory over Patch Available debt

2018-08-16 Thread Dmitriy Setrakyan
Great idea! Review is not only meant for the committers, but for everyone in the community. Committers are only responsible for final reviews and merges. D. On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 7:29 AM, Dmitriy Pavlov wrote: > Hi Igniters, > > For a long time review queue in the community is quite long. Ti