Re: [howldev] RE: Howl Authorization proposal

2010-10-13 Thread yongqiang he
; -Original Message- > From: John Sichi [mailto:jsi...@facebook.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:36 PM > To: > Cc: howl...@yahoogroups.com; Pradeep Kamath; > Subject: Re: [howldev] RE: Howl Authorization proposal > > On Oct 13, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Alan Gates wr

RE: [howldev] RE: Howl Authorization proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Namit Jain
...@yahoogroups.com; Subject: RE: [howldev] RE: Howl Authorization proposal One related concern with not using hdfs permissions is that there can be conflicts between what the hive authorization realm would permit versus what hdfs would permit. For instance a user X (in the hive authorization realm) has

RE: [howldev] RE: Howl Authorization proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Ashish Thusoo
: RE: [howldev] RE: Howl Authorization proposal One related concern with not using hdfs permissions is that there can be conflicts between what the hive authorization realm would permit versus what hdfs would permit. For instance a user X (in the hive authorization realm) has create table

RE: [howldev] RE: Howl Authorization proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Pradeep Kamath
lowed in one is the same in the other might be difficult - thoughts? -Original Message- From: John Sichi [mailto:jsi...@facebook.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:36 PM To: Cc: howl...@yahoogroups.com; Pradeep Kamath; Subject: Re: [howldev] RE: Howl Authorization proposal On O

Re: [howldev] RE: Howl Authorization proposal

2010-10-13 Thread John Sichi
On Oct 13, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Alan Gates wrote: > Our biggest concern is that HDFS already has a permissions model, why create > a whole new one? It is a lot of duplication. And that duplication will flow > through to things like logging and auditing, all of which Hive/Howl will now > need in

Re: [howldev] RE: Howl Authorization proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Alan Gates
John, It's not clear to us whether, if a traditional ACL model was available, we would still need the HDFS model. I suspect so, but I'm not sure. We had a few concerns with the full ACL model that caused us to avoid it at least initially. In this model Hive/Howl has to own all the fil

Re: [howldev] RE: Howl Authorization proposal

2010-10-11 Thread John Sichi
Hi Pradeep, Namit and I took a look at the doc; thanks for the clear writeup. Coincidentally, we've been starting to think about some Hive authorization use cases within Facebook as well. However, the approach we're thinking about is more along the lines of traditional SQL ACL's (role-based GR