Re: More inclusive naming

2020-06-15 Thread Remko Popma
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:12 PM Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > Precisely, MG! > > This is what these discussions are swaying us into: to forget that we > are first and foremost came here to enjoy this great Groovy language > which many of us are using day in and day out (thanks for the team that > h

Re: More inclusive naming

2020-06-15 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
I don't think I was calling his email this way ;) but rather reaffirming his point of view. -- With regards, Cos On 2020-06-15 18:26, Remko Popma wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:12 PM Konstantin Boudnik > wrote: Precisely, MG! This is what these discussi

Re: More inclusive naming

2020-06-15 Thread Eric Kinsella
+1 I also find the new aliases easier to understand and a welcome change. We should strive for tolerance, inclusivity, and listening to others over our own personal feelings. - Eric On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:09 AM Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > I don't think I was calling his email this way ;) bu

Re: More inclusive naming

2020-06-15 Thread Mikko Värri
Just to voice my +1 instead of being silent. To me, "blacklist" associates "black" and "deny access" way too closely for 2020, and the suggested names are just better. -mikko > On 11. Jun 2020, at 17.50, Paul King wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Given recent world events, there are numerous proje

Re: More inclusive naming

2020-06-15 Thread MG
Hi Remko, I consider Konstantin our esteemed guest, since afaiu Apache picking up Groovy was big, and I meant what I said to Jenn exactly the way I said it :-) Cheers, mg On 15/06/2020 13:26, Remko Popma wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:12 PM Konstantin Boudnik >

Re: More inclusive naming

2020-06-15 Thread MG
Hi Ann, good points in general. With regards to "blacklist" I think we can assume that the non native speakers who actually did not know the term will be familiar with it by now*, since there is a successful TV show that is literally called "The Blacklist" (going into its 8th season), for whi

Re: More inclusive naming

2020-06-15 Thread Keegan Witt
I've been reticent on this because I'm more pragmatic than political. Please don't interpret this as belittling any particular position, I just prefer to view this issue primarily through the lens of a pragmatic technologist for this discussion (to the extent possible). For discussions over beers;