On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> Erik,
>
> I think having a separate folder off root will make it hard to maintain the
> parallel-ism. That would be two different SVN projects to figure out how
> to
> release together, and two different checkins to keep things in sync.
>
> In
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
>
>
>
> On 1/21/13 5:21 PM, "Om" wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> >
> >> Changing subject because GPU rendering usually gets a lot of replies.
> >>
> >> In this new framework, I am trying to separate everything
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> Om,
>
> I see your point. Here's mine: Alex's new framework has an AS and a JS
> part. Currently projects build using his AS part are compiled with
> FalconJS to run in the browser using his JS framework. Alex has named
> his framework combo
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Michael Schmalle
wrote:
> This is how Android works to, you draw to Bitmaps.
>
> It has a "display list" for layout like algorithms but the Canvas is
> passed around to be drawn on.
>
>
Isn't that similar to a Flash Stage with cacheAsBitmap=true?
At least this is h
Erik,
I think having a separate folder off root will make it hard to maintain the
parallel-ism. That would be two different SVN projects to figure out how to
release together, and two different checkins to keep things in sync.
In my vision, the new framework does need to allow for alternative
im
This is how Android works to, you draw to Bitmaps.
It has a "display list" for layout like algorithms but the Canvas is
passed around to be drawn on.
Mike
Quoting Kevin Newman :
Flex could do something more like they do on iOS. They can build an
entire layout as one bitmap, but to get par
/nay lol.
http://www.doesmybrowsersupportwebgl.com/
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Newman [mailto:capta...@unfocus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:37
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: ASJS and Starling (was Re: [FalconJx] where I'm going to be)
WebGL isn't suppo
Flex could do something more like they do on iOS. They can build an
entire layout as one bitmap, but to get parts that can change or
animate, they use layer-backing. So they only create a new quad for the
parts they need to. This seems to be a better strategy on mobile than a
deep display list,
WebGL isn't supported by IE (and various flavors of WebKit and maybe not
Opera either), so you'd have to do two implementations, one in WebGL,
and a fallback in Canvas (which in IE is GPU accelerated).
Kevin N.
On 1/22/13 7:26 AM, Kessler CTR Mark J wrote:
I was going to recommend trying
similar to WebGL?
-Mark
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From: omup...@gmail.com [mailto:omup...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Om
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 20:22
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: ASJS and Starling (was Re: [FalconJx] where I'm going to be)
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alex Harui wrot
Om,
I see your point. Here's mine: Alex's new framework has an AS and a JS
part. Currently projects build using his AS part are compiled with
FalconJS to run in the browser using his JS framework. Alex has named
his framework combo FlexJS. I think that name (FlexJS) should be
revisited as that fra
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >> I spent some time going through your new framework. First off, I think
> it
> >> deserves to be called something else. The "JS" in "ASJS" implies that
> it
> >> is a JS specific implementation of the framework. In reality it i
Hi,
>> I spent some time going through your new framework. First off, I think it
>> deserves to be called something else. The "JS" in "ASJS" implies that it
>> is a JS specific implementation of the framework. In reality it is not.
> Well, I called that to show that it is a parallel framework.
On 1/21/13 5:21 PM, "Om" wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
>
>> Changing subject because GPU rendering usually gets a lot of replies.
>>
>> In this new framework, I am trying to separate everything into little
>> chunks
>> I call "beads". The visual components ar
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> Changing subject because GPU rendering usually gets a lot of replies.
>
> In this new framework, I am trying to separate everything into little
> chunks
> I call "beads". The visual components are supposed to have a minimum of
> three beads,
On 1/19/13 8:15 AM, "Frank Wienberg" wrote:
> After some time off, I just became aware of this discussion, and it has
> already become quite longish, so please forgive me if I missed or
> misunderstood some arguments.
>
> That said, my understanding of MXML is that it is just another (for som
After some time off, I just became aware of this discussion, and it has
already become quite longish, so please forgive me if I missed or
misunderstood some arguments.
That said, my understanding of MXML is that it is just another (for some
use cases more convenient) syntax to write an ActionScrip
Very cool interesting work Alex. Going to need to stop and check this out.
I've been using feathers recently for a few display object heavy mobile
apps and it has worked well. Would like to get back some parts from flex.
When I was playing with making a starling version of flex I felt the need
for
Changing subject because GPU rendering usually gets a lot of replies.
In this new framework, I am trying to separate everything into little chunks
I call "beads". The visual components are supposed to have a minimum of
three beads, one each for MVC, and the V is essentially the Skin.
Components
Quoting Gordon Smith :
I thought you said MXML shouldn't be used to create javascript.
I don't have a clear recollection. I was probably recommending that
MXML be converted into a data structure or a bytestream that would
get interpreted by a small bit of JavaScript (or any other
langu
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> That's why I've chosen a new
> parallel framework: I've already got a prototype up and running, and I
> would not be able to do that with the current Flex SDK. Hopefully the
> patterns I am using the new framework are extensible enough to
e that is a databinding expression has to generate
all sorts of extra stuff like Watcher instances in other places.
- Gordon
-Original Message-
From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apa...@teotigraphix.com]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 10:27 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: RE: [FalconJx
Quoting Alex Harui :
Either do I, the way I see it is we traverse the MXML AST. I just have
to look at what you have done to know what "state" needs to be saved
as we are walking the MXML AST.
I think all "state" is kept as a variables in the "Context" class. The
"state" is mostly trying
Quoting Gordon Smith :
There needs to be an intermediate "model" that can hold the MXML
data structure AFTER the AST. (I guess)
I don't see why you would need to transform the MXML AST into yet
another model. There are already two models for MXML and they should
be sufficient.
The synt
piece of semantic
information that was in the MXML file.
- Gordon
-Original Message-
From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apa...@teotigraphix.com]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:21 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FalconJx] where I'm going to be
No, the Falcon compi
>
> Either do I, the way I see it is we traverse the MXML AST. I just have
> to look at what you have done to know what "state" needs to be saved
> as we are walking the MXML AST.
I think all "state" is kept as a variables in the "Context" class. The
"state" is mostly trying to remember what th
On 1/18/13 3:24 AM, "Fréderic Cox" wrote:
> I'm following your work with great interest, but I'm afraid as a "regular"
> AS3 developer with no background in compilers this is a bit too technical
> for me. I was wondering if you could explain in a non-technical way what
> the status of the proj
Quoting Alex Harui :
On 1/18/13 3:49 AM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote:
Erik,
MXML comes after ActionScript. Sorry but I have to do things in order.
This is where projects go wrong, where people start cutting corners
and skipping things they should finish. 10 years experience with this
stuff
On 1/18/13 3:41 AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote:
> Frederic,
>
> There are currently two JS cross compilation projects happening:
> FalconJS and FalconJx.
>
> FalconJS is a project started by Alex Harui.
FTR, it was started by another Adobe engineer. I am just shepherding its
donation to Apache a
Quoting Alex Harui :
On 1/18/13 4:21 AM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote:
No, the Falcon compiler turns MXML AST into straight ABC instructions.
This is why Alex had to do majic with the
MXMLClassDirectiveProccessor. So right now, there is no working
translation of MXML into a Class file.
Also
On 1/18/13 3:49 AM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote:
> Erik,
>
> MXML comes after ActionScript. Sorry but I have to do things in order.
> This is where projects go wrong, where people start cutting corners
> and skipping things they should finish. 10 years experience with this
> stuff and various ar
On 1/18/13 4:21 AM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote:
> No, the Falcon compiler turns MXML AST into straight ABC instructions.
>
> This is why Alex had to do majic with the
> MXMLClassDirectiveProccessor. So right now, there is no working
> translation of MXML into a Class file.
>
> Also this has be
On 1/18/13 8:11 AM, "Fréderic Cox" wrote:
> That is interesting stuff! And more understandable now :-) (not fully yet
> ;-))
>
> Thanks for your time and effort. I'm very pleased to see Erik has plans
> for the views handling from MXML to HTML DOM. That is an interesting part
> of the project
Yeah but good enough to dare glance at the code now :)
Thanks again.
-Fred
-Message d'origine-
From: FrédericCox
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 5:11 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FalconJx] where I'm going to be
That is interesting stuff! And more understa
>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:51 PM
>To: dev@flex.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [FalconJx] where I'm going to be
>
>
>Quoting Frédéric THOMAS :
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Yes, that's a clear introduction of what it aims to and it was
>>important
>> to
apache.org
Subject: Re: [FalconJx] where I'm going to be
Quoting Frédéric THOMAS :
Mike,
Yes, that's a clear introduction of what it aims to and it was important
to clarify that.
Ok good.
On the wiki page, l would like to understand little bit more, even if
maybe, not sure, I can
verriding the parts of the two languages that differ for source code
production.
In the end, FalconJx is actually an ActionScript emitter first, other
languages next.
Mike
-Fred.
-Message d'origine- From: Michael Schmalle
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:03 PM
To: dev@flex.ap
>Didn't the 'old' compiler (pre-Falcon) translate MXML into intermediate AS and
>offer the option to safe those intermediate files?
>I think that the presentation guy used these intermediate files (classes, I'm
>sure) instead of the actual MXML to get his prototype to work. I'm however not
>sure
Great Erik!
We are on the same page then, this is even better that I thought. :)
Thanks for writing that.
Mike
Quoting Erik de Bruin :
When I say business logic, I mean, no views, no ui components, no flash
display list to javascript DOM conversations. Just business logic.
And that's where
> When I say business logic, I mean, no views, no ui components, no flash
> display list to javascript DOM conversations. Just business logic.
And that's where I come in. Once I'm done with helping out Mike
getting the business logic up and running, I plan on starting work on
the JS framework that
y, it would be nice if it would be
explained.
-Fred.
-Message d'origine-
From: Michael Schmalle
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:03 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FalconJx] where I'm going to be
Yeah,
When I wrote that I was basically brainstorming and talking to
basic that could
help to understand what is written on the wiki page.
-Fred
-Message d'origine- From: Michael Schmalle
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 3:38 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FalconJx] where I'm going to be
I outlined some of this a while ago;
https://cwik
to understand what is written on the
wiki page.
-Fred
-Message d'origine-
From: Michael Schmalle
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 3:38 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FalconJx] where I'm going to be
I outlined some of this a while ago;
https://cwiki.apache.org/co
ld be also welcomed I guess.
-Fred
-Message d'origine- From: Carol Frampton
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 3:30 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FalconJx] where I'm going to be
This would be good info to post somewhere on the website since I'm sure
Frederic isn'
Hi Carol,
The problem with this project is exactly what you are talking about.
Alex worked on a full cross compile of logic and views. The project I
started only cares about AS3 -> JS conversion at the moment.
So up until recently it was hard to describe the difference because
FalconJx was
PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FalconJx] where I'm going to be
This would be good info to post somewhere on the website since I'm sure
Frederic isn't the only one wondering.
Carol
On 1/18/13 6 :41AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote:
Frederic,
There are currently two JS cross compi
This would be good info to post somewhere on the website since I'm sure
Frederic isn't the only one wondering.
Carol
On 1/18/13 6 :41AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote:
>Frederic,
>
>There are currently two JS cross compilation projects happening:
>FalconJS and FalconJx.
>
>FalconJS is a project started
No, the Falcon compiler turns MXML AST into straight ABC instructions.
This is why Alex had to do majic with the
MXMLClassDirectiveProccessor. So right now, there is no working
translation of MXML into a Class file.
Also this has been brought up between Alex and Gordon that doing a
straig
Understood, thanks and good luck guys! I will monitor your work but first
I need to learn about AS and MXML in more detail, where can I start?
Because I thought MXML was just actionscript classes where a compiler
would parse the MXML and generate the appropriate AS class.
Didn't the 'old' compiler (pre-Falcon) translate MXML into
intermediate AS and offer the option to safe those intermediate files?
I think that the presentation guy used these intermediate files
(classes, I'm sure) instead of the actual MXML to get his prototype to
work. I'm however not sure if Falc
And to be completely honest here, so you have the proper expectations;
I usually before starting something like the MXML task, turn up
psychedelic trance music really loud, stare at the screen for a couple
hours, write some code, refactor the code. Stare at it again for about
1 day, look th
Quoting Erik de Bruin :
Mike,
I'm not trying to get you to do stuff, certainly not 'out of order'.
First things first, and we'll have our hands full on AS -> JS, to be
sure.
Just thinking out loud: at some point I saw a video where an Adobe guy
explained one of the early FalconJS prototypes (
Mike,
I'm not trying to get you to do stuff, certainly not 'out of order'.
First things first, and we'll have our hands full on AS -> JS, to be
sure.
Just thinking out loud: at some point I saw a video where an Adobe guy
explained one of the early FalconJS prototypes (Pete?) and he worked
around
Quoting Fréderic Cox :
I'm following your work with great interest, but I'm afraid as a "regular"
AS3 developer with no background in compilers this is a bit too technical
for me. I was wondering if you could explain in a non-technical way what
the status of the project is at this moment.
Ques
Erik,
MXML comes after ActionScript. Sorry but I have to do things in order.
This is where projects go wrong, where people start cutting corners
and skipping things they should finish. 10 years experience with this
stuff and various architectures tells me finish the foundation before
we d
Frederic,
There are currently two JS cross compilation projects happening:
FalconJS and FalconJx.
FalconJS is a project started by Alex Harui. It is currently the most
complete implementation and has (limited?) MXML parsing. The FalconJS
compiler will take an MXML and AS project and output a vali
I'm following your work with great interest, but I'm afraid as a "regular"
AS3 developer with no background in compilers this is a bit too technical
for me. I was wondering if you could explain in a non-technical way what
the status of the project is at this moment.
Questions I have:
- I have an
Mike,
how does that relate to MXML (if at all...)?
wrt. MXML, will you (someone) be able to take what Alex did for
FalconJS and put that in FalconJx, or does it not work like that?
I'm trying to get a feeling for where we are in relation to the two
other Falcons and MXML seems to be a big thing
Hey all,
Since the project is really taking shape thanks to our great
cooperation, I am going to focus on the nemesis I have left and that
is finishing of the ActionScript emitter.
This project blew up fast with Erik contributing, I didn't get a
chance to fully finish the ActionScript imp
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