Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding

2016-06-09 Thread Joseph Schaefer
Lgtm! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: > > >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: >> >> >> On 06/06/2016 05:21 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: >> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:16 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: >> > >> >> The challenge with a CoC is know

Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding

2016-06-08 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 06/06/2016 05:21 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:16 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > >> The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the > >> thought police. Also, it should be things that are measu

Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding

2016-06-06 Thread Rich Bowen
On 06/06/2016 05:21 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:16 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > >> The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the >> thought police. Also, it should be things that are measurable and >> enforceable. I don't think this is either. >> >> W

Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding

2016-06-06 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:16 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the > thought police. Also, it should be things that are measurable and > enforceable. I don't think this is either. > > What you are suggesting is really good advice, but isn't so

Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding

2016-06-06 Thread Mark Thomas
On 06/06/2016 01:16, Rich Bowen wrote: > The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the > thought police. Also, it should be things that are measurable and > enforceable. I don't think this is either. > > What you are suggesting is really good advice, but isn't something we c

RE: Code of Conduct - Over Responding

2016-06-05 Thread Ross Gardler
+1 This is not really a CoC issue, more of a best practice one. Sent from my Windows 10 phone From: Rich Bowen<mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com> Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 5:17 PM To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> Subject: Re: Code of Conduct - Over Respo

Re: Code of Conduct - Over Responding

2016-06-05 Thread Rich Bowen
The challenge with a CoC is knowing when to quit before becoming the thought police. Also, it should be things that are measurable and enforceable. I don't think this is either. What you are suggesting is really good advice, but isn't something we can enforce with policy. On Jun 5, 2016 8:00 PM, "

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-26 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 3/26/15 1:46 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > Oh, thanks for the input Shane! > > I don't want to make the punitive measures stuff too complex. It should be > simple and easy to understand for both those who want protection from > harassment and so on, and those who've been spoken to about adjusting th

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
*or where ever On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 at 18:46 Noah Slater wrote: > Oh, thanks for the input Shane! > > I don't want to make the punitive measures stuff too complex. It should be > simple and easy to understand for both those who want protection from > harassment and so on, and those who've been sp

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
Oh, thanks for the input Shane! I don't want to make the punitive measures stuff too complex. It should be simple and easy to understand for both those who want protection from harassment and so on, and those who've been spoken to about adjusting their conduct. A strikes system is one idea. So in

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-25 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 3/25/15 12:00 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > Yep, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure how to handle the governance side > of this. But I'm sure we can come to an agreement on this list soon. Discussing here makes sense; it's public and there are plenty of helpful voices that are likely to participate;

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-25 Thread Noah Slater
Yep, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure how to handle the governance side of this. But I'm sure we can come to an agreement on this list soon. On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 at 15:13 jan i wrote: > On 25 March 2015 at 13:08, Noah Slater wrote: > > > Jan, > > > > Late to the party here, sorry. But I wanna

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-25 Thread jan i
On 25 March 2015 at 13:08, Noah Slater wrote: > Jan, > > Late to the party here, sorry. But I wanna reply to your point that the CoC > is not meant to be enforceable. > > That is not the case, as I understand it. Indeed, an unenforceable or > not-regularly-enforced CoC is not worthless, it's actu

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-25 Thread Noah Slater
Jan, Late to the party here, sorry. But I wanna reply to your point that the CoC is not meant to be enforceable. That is not the case, as I understand it. Indeed, an unenforceable or not-regularly-enforced CoC is not worthless, it's actually *harmful* and dangerous for marginalised people in our

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-21 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Hi this is a whimsical post. (also a top post) But here’s a cute code of conduct video. http://goo.gl/UZF7CW > On 20 Dec 2014, at 15:14, jan i wrote: > > On 20 December 2014 at 20:55, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > >> Hi, >>> On 20 Dec 2014, at 09:50, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> >>> This is gre

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-20 Thread jan i
On 20 December 2014 at 20:55, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > Hi, > > On 20 Dec 2014, at 09:50, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > > This is great and, as noted, long overdue. Although the code > > itself "simply" codifies what had been the tribal knowledge > > of the ASF, and how we'd expected people to be

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-20 Thread Rich Bowen
Patches are welcome but please consider the document RTC, with the R happening on this list. Thanks. On Dec 20, 2014 6:34 AM, "sebb" wrote: > There are some useful links in the CoC blog: > > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/asf_publishes_long_overdue_code > > For example, > Ashe Dryden's

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-20 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Hi, > On 20 Dec 2014, at 09:50, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > This is great and, as noted, long overdue. Although the code > itself "simply" codifies what had been the tribal knowledge > of the ASF, and how we'd expected people to behave, NOT having > it written down was pretty sad. > > Thx to all fo

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-20 Thread Tom Pedersen
Tom Eddie Pedersen blikkenslager.t...@hotmail.com Mobiltelefon 45041027 Adresse: Solendvegen 320 5936 Manger - Reply message - Fra: "Jim Jagielski" Til: Emne: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc Dato: lør., des. 20, 2014 15:52 This is great and, as noted, long overdue

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-20 Thread Jim Jagielski
This is great and, as noted, long overdue. Although the code itself "simply" codifies what had been the tribal knowledge of the ASF, and how we'd expected people to behave, NOT having it written down was pretty sad. Thx to all for making it happen. > On Dec 20, 2014, at 6:33 AM, sebb wrote: > >

Re: Code of conduct

2014-12-01 Thread Noah Slater
Late to this thread, but huge +1 from me. Thanks Rich!! I have some additional things to contribute, but I'll start new threads for them soon enough! (Feel free to nudge me if I seem to have forgotten.) On 18 November 2014 at 14:53, Rich Bowen wrote: > As many of you are no doubt aware, we have

Re: Code of conduct

2014-11-19 Thread Jan Willem Janssen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/14 14:53, Rich Bowen wrote: > I honestly can't figure out why we didn't just do this years ago, > other than expecting that someone else would. Thanks for "biting the bullet" and just do it, Rich! A big +1 to this code of conduct. - -- Met

Re: Code of conduct

2014-11-18 Thread Kay Schenk
On 11/18/2014 09:46 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Christopher wrote: > >> At first glance, a big +1. This is one of the better Code of Conduct >> policies that I've seen. >> >> >> -- >> Christopher L Tubbs II >> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii >> >> On Tue, Nov 18

Re: Code of conduct

2014-11-18 Thread Ulrich Stärk
Published. Thanks! Uli On 2014-11-18 21:37, Rob Vesse wrote: > Great work Rich > > The community.apache.org site has a specific question on this in the > Newbie FAQ (http://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html) which just points > to the wiki currently. I have made an edit that points to the new

Re: Code of conduct

2014-11-18 Thread Rob Vesse
Great work Rich The community.apache.org site has a specific question on this in the Newbie FAQ (http://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html) which just points to the wiki currently. I have made an edit that points to the newly published document but I don't have write permissions to publish the u

Re: Code of conduct

2014-11-18 Thread Roberto Galoppini
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Christopher wrote: > At first glance, a big +1. This is one of the better Code of Conduct > policies that I've seen. > > > -- > Christopher L Tubbs II > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > As many of you are n

Re: Code of conduct

2014-11-18 Thread Christopher
At first glance, a big +1. This is one of the better Code of Conduct policies that I've seen. -- Christopher L Tubbs II http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > As many of you are no doubt aware, we have had on our website, for at > least 8 years, and,

RE: Code of conduct

2014-11-18 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
+1000 Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation -Original Message- From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:46 AM To: dev Subject: Re: Code of conduct On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Rich Bowen wrote

Re: Code of conduct

2014-11-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > ...So, without further ado: > http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html ... w00t indeed, thanks! -Bertrand

Re: Code of conduct

2014-11-18 Thread Issac Goldstand
w00t :) On 11/18/2014 3:53 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > As many of you are no doubt aware, we have had on our website, for at > least 8 years, and, I think probably much longer, "Code of conduct, > coming soon!" Long enough, in fact, that I had completely forgotten > about it. > > It was brought to my

Re: Code of Conduct

2010-08-03 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Here at Apache projects are free to define their own code of conduct. > For womAn@, if ever it be a project, anon code would begin: "the timing of our actions are the window to our soul: know here the sound of one hand clapping" (thanks Ros

Re: Code of Conduct

2010-08-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > I just added a FAQ item to the comdev site about code of conduct for ASF > projects... http://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html looks good to me, thanks! -Bertrand