Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-26 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 3/26/15 1:46 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > Oh, thanks for the input Shane! > > I don't want to make the punitive measures stuff too complex. It should be > simple and easy to understand for both those who want protection from > harassment and so on, and those who've been spoken to about adjusting th

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
*or where ever On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 at 18:46 Noah Slater wrote: > Oh, thanks for the input Shane! > > I don't want to make the punitive measures stuff too complex. It should be > simple and easy to understand for both those who want protection from > harassment and so on, and those who've been sp

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-26 Thread Noah Slater
Oh, thanks for the input Shane! I don't want to make the punitive measures stuff too complex. It should be simple and easy to understand for both those who want protection from harassment and so on, and those who've been spoken to about adjusting their conduct. A strikes system is one idea. So in

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-25 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 3/25/15 12:00 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > Yep, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure how to handle the governance side > of this. But I'm sure we can come to an agreement on this list soon. Discussing here makes sense; it's public and there are plenty of helpful voices that are likely to participate;

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-25 Thread Noah Slater
Yep, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure how to handle the governance side of this. But I'm sure we can come to an agreement on this list soon. On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 at 15:13 jan i wrote: > On 25 March 2015 at 13:08, Noah Slater wrote: > > > Jan, > > > > Late to the party here, sorry. But I wanna

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-25 Thread jan i
On 25 March 2015 at 13:08, Noah Slater wrote: > Jan, > > Late to the party here, sorry. But I wanna reply to your point that the CoC > is not meant to be enforceable. > > That is not the case, as I understand it. Indeed, an unenforceable or > not-regularly-enforced CoC is not worthless, it's actu

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2015-03-25 Thread Noah Slater
Jan, Late to the party here, sorry. But I wanna reply to your point that the CoC is not meant to be enforceable. That is not the case, as I understand it. Indeed, an unenforceable or not-regularly-enforced CoC is not worthless, it's actually *harmful* and dangerous for marginalised people in our

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-21 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Hi this is a whimsical post. (also a top post) But here’s a cute code of conduct video. http://goo.gl/UZF7CW > On 20 Dec 2014, at 15:14, jan i wrote: > > On 20 December 2014 at 20:55, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > >> Hi, >>> On 20 Dec 2014, at 09:50, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> >>> This is gre

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-20 Thread jan i
On 20 December 2014 at 20:55, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > Hi, > > On 20 Dec 2014, at 09:50, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > > This is great and, as noted, long overdue. Although the code > > itself "simply" codifies what had been the tribal knowledge > > of the ASF, and how we'd expected people to be

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-20 Thread Rich Bowen
Patches are welcome but please consider the document RTC, with the R happening on this list. Thanks. On Dec 20, 2014 6:34 AM, "sebb" wrote: > There are some useful links in the CoC blog: > > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/asf_publishes_long_overdue_code > > For example, > Ashe Dryden's

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-20 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Hi, > On 20 Dec 2014, at 09:50, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > This is great and, as noted, long overdue. Although the code > itself "simply" codifies what had been the tribal knowledge > of the ASF, and how we'd expected people to behave, NOT having > it written down was pretty sad. > > Thx to all fo

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-20 Thread Tom Pedersen
Tom Eddie Pedersen blikkenslager.t...@hotmail.com Mobiltelefon 45041027 Adresse: Solendvegen 320 5936 Manger - Reply message - Fra: "Jim Jagielski" Til: Emne: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc Dato: lør., des. 20, 2014 15:52 This is great and, as n

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-20 Thread Jim Jagielski
This is great and, as noted, long overdue. Although the code itself "simply" codifies what had been the tribal knowledge of the ASF, and how we'd expected people to behave, NOT having it written down was pretty sad. Thx to all for making it happen. > On Dec 20, 2014, at 6:33 AM, sebb wrote: > >

Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

2014-12-20 Thread sebb
There are some useful links in the CoC blog: https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/asf_publishes_long_overdue_code For example, Ashe Dryden's introductory resource for learning more about how Codes of Conduct can help Perhaps these should be added to the ASF CoC page at http://www.apache.or