Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-07-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, As there was no opposition I have modified the first few paragraphs of http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html as below. -Bertrand On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > *** reworked code of conduct intro section *** > This code of conduct applies to al

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-07-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > ...when at least one of its members in more than one occasion states that > projects are independent (of the ASF) regarding how they conduct their > business - except for the license aspect - it is rendered a paper tiger... ASF projects a

RE: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-07-03 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
+1 You want an exec officer to be responsible for the CoC, it's the President. Ross -Original Message- From: hedh...@gmail.com [mailto:hedh...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Niclas Hedhman Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:14 AM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: Better specifying the

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-07-03 Thread Niclas Hedhman
As Jan is saying, this is simply not accurate. "Official Policy" must be followed by all projects, and anyone can raise the concerns to various committees or board, when they think there is ongoing violation and no interest from a project to rectify it. Legal Policy (which is not only that the pr

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-07-02 Thread jan i
On 2 July 2015 at 18:05, Pierre Smits wrote: > It is a good thing that the board and the President regard the Code of > Conduct page as an official ASF policy and expect others to follow it, but > when at least one of its members in more than one occasion states that > projects are independent (o

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-07-02 Thread Pierre Smits
It is a good thing that the board and the President regard the Code of Conduct page as an official ASF policy and expect others to follow it, but when at least one of its members in more than one occasion states that projects are independent (of the ASF) regarding how they conduct their business -

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-07-02 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 6/30/15 2:04 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 06/30/2015 12:37 PM, Stefan Reich wrote: >> I'm almost tired of criticizing so much, but... I think a "code of >> conduct" >> is evil legalese and should be abandoned. >> >> Like Jesus said: "Love is the only law you need." > > > Unfortunately, tha

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-06-30 Thread Bkrm Adhikari
Yes sure i...do Rich Bowen wrote: > > >On 06/30/2015 07:23 AM, jan i wrote: >> Maybe I am a bad reader, but I read it as apacheCON CORE is not covered and >> surely apache big data >> (which is a "pure" LF managed event), because the space is managed by LF. I >> would like to see it "applied to"

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-06-30 Thread Rich Bowen
On 06/30/2015 12:37 PM, Stefan Reich wrote: I'm almost tired of criticizing so much, but... I think a "code of conduct" is evil legalese and should be abandoned. Like Jesus said: "Love is the only law you need." Unfortunately, that hasn't worked out for us so far. A CoC serves several real

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-06-30 Thread Rich Bowen
On 06/30/2015 07:23 AM, jan i wrote: Maybe I am a bad reader, but I read it as apacheCON CORE is not covered and surely apache big data (which is a "pure" LF managed event), because the space is managed by LF. I would like to see it "applied to" and not only "expect to be honered" for all apac

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-06-30 Thread Stefan Reich
I'm almost tired of criticizing so much, but... I think a "code of conduct" is evil legalese and should be abandoned. Like Jesus said: "Love is the only law you need." Cheers Stefan On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > Someone mentioned to me that they find the

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-06-30 Thread jan i
On Tuesday, June 30, 2015, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:23 PM, jan i > > wrote: > > ...I read it as apacheCON CORE is not covered and > > surely apache big data > > (which is a "pure" LF managed event), because the space is managed by > LF... > > It says "A code

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-06-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:23 PM, jan i wrote: > ...I read it as apacheCON CORE is not covered and > surely apache big data > (which is a "pure" LF managed event), because the space is managed by LF... It says "A code of conduct which is specific to in-person events (ie., conferences) is codi

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-06-30 Thread Christopher
+1 On Tue, Jun 30, 2015, 07:01 Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > Someone mentioned to me that they find the first paragraph of > http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html overly broad, > and I tend to agree. > > That paragraph says "this code of conduct governs how we behave in a

Re: Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-06-30 Thread jan i
On 30 June 2015 at 13:01, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > Someone mentioned to me that they find the first paragraph of > http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html overly broad, > and I tend to agree. > > That paragraph says "this code of conduct governs how we behave in any > f

Better specifying the scope of our Code of Conduct

2015-06-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, Someone mentioned to me that they find the first paragraph of http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html overly broad, and I tend to agree. That paragraph says "this code of conduct governs how we behave in any forum and whenever we will be judged by our actions" which implies tha