Re: Want to Contribute

2016-12-05 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi Shayak Am 12/6/2016 um 8:22 AM schrieb Shayak Sadhu: Hello, I want to contribute to any project for Apache Foundation. Nice, maybe you can tell us a bit more about your skills and your interest. It's easier to find a project Regards, Raphael -

Re: Want to Contribute

2016-12-05 Thread Johannes Geppert
Hi Shayak, Please read our "Get Involved" section on our website. https://www.apache.org/foundation/getinvolved.html Another starting point is the "Help wanted" section. https://helpwanted.apache.org/ Best Regards Johannes # web: http://www.jgepp

Want to Contribute

2016-12-05 Thread Shayak Sadhu
Hello, I want to contribute to any project for Apache Foundation. Regards, Shayak Sadhu

Help with task: Make our event calendar less US centric

2016-12-05 Thread Liu Ted
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Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Jacob Champion
I think I agree with both of you... On 12/05/2016 09:41 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: I have seen way too many metrics being misused to justify the wrong actions ...measuring the wrong thing at the wrong time or in the wrong way can be *extremely* harmful, yes... On 12/05/2016 01:07 PM, Daniel Gr

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Rich Bowen
So ... stepping back a bit here. Are you saying that even attempting to measure outcomes is harmful, because we might draw the wrong conclusions? This is a completely new notion to me. You say: "I am reluctant to simply collect some data because I am missing a clear question what we are trying t

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Ulrich Stärk
On 05.12.16 17:54, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 12/05/2016 07:41 AM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: >>> Or, at the very least, can we make a commitment to track this data going forward? >> Let me play the devil's advocate here: What for? >> >> GSoC is completely free for the ASF (on the contrary, we even

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 12/05/2016 09:41 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: > On 05.12.16 17:45, Rich Bowen wrote: >> >> >> On 12/05/2016 07:41 AM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: Or, at the very least, can we make a commitment to track this data going > forward? >>> Let me play the devil's advocate here: What for? >>> >>> GSoC is c

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Ulrich Stärk
On 05.12.16 17:45, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 12/05/2016 07:41 AM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: >>> Or, at the very least, can we make a commitment to track this data going forward? >> Let me play the devil's advocate here: What for? >> >> GSoC is completely free for the ASF (on the contrary, we even

Re: What's the plan? What are we here for?

2016-12-05 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi at all I'm finaly here too. I think, moast of you know me ;-) But the way to this list wasn't so easy. I'm honest, i diden't know about comdev util Roman point me to the ML. Then I searched for the subscribe link, and faild. Well I know how to compose the subscribe adress for the ML, but w

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Rich Bowen
So, since this thread seems to have been perceived as "justify your existence, you layabouts!" let me rephrase, in the hopes of being a little more constructive. Apologies to any who took my question as an attack or accusation. It was neither. Do we have a comprehensive list of project/particpant

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/05/2016 01:08 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: > On 5 December 2016 at 17:07, Jacob Champion wrote: >> Perhaps a bit off-topic for this thread in particular, but in all >> seriousness, I like this idea a lot. As you've noted, older projects and >> established developers don't always know whi

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
On 5 December 2016 at 17:07, Jacob Champion wrote: > Perhaps a bit off-topic for this thread in particular, but in all > seriousness, I like this idea a lot. As you've noted, older projects and > established developers don't always know which parts of their projects need > "newbie improvement" --

What's the plan? What are we here for?

2016-12-05 Thread Rich Bowen
As has been discussed elsewhere, we don't have a clear idea of what we're here for. I believe we need to fix that. Why This Matters 1) So that we know how to ask for help This matters because people *flock* to us saying "I want to help", and in pretty much every case our response is "Great! Help

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/05/2016 08:59 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > I disagree with the need for comdev to have a strategy. I'd like to respond to just this remark. ComDev has a goal. It is stated in the resolution that created the PMC. That goal is: to establish a Project Management Committee charged with

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Rich Bowen
Yes, this would be hugely helpful. This page - http://community.apache.org/gsoc- should be inward-facing as well as outward facing. It should tell projects what they should expect to spend (time, effort, not necessarily money) and what the benefits are likely to be. If that's anecdotal, great. I

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Daniel Gruno
Why not Zoidberg? If someone wants to gather stats, that's great - if someone wants to gather stories etc, that is also great. One doesn't exclude the other, and considering we have nothing at the moment, anything is a step up. With regards, Daniel On 12/05/2016 06:18 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > IMO,

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Alex Harui
IMO, rather than gathering statistics, it would be better to gather stories, tips and advice. It doesn't seem to me that statistics would be helpful, folks just need to know that it can have great benefits or great cost and some ideas of the reasons why. Even if it hasn't been helpful in the past

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Jacob Champion
On 12/05/2016 08:15 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: Perhaps ComDev can act like a prpject visitor. (Not auditor or inspector!) "No one expects the ComDev Inquisition!!" We can make a wiki page with a randomised list of all ASF projects, a quick checklist (smaller than maturity model) and just

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Suresh Marru
Hi Rich, Do you prefer to see cumulative statistics or PMC wise? With a small effort, I can get detailed statistics from Apache Airavata. GSoC has been great for the project and is one of the primary sources to induct fresh blood. We have a decent retention rate, students have stayed around, ea

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Rich Bowen
Nobody is suggesting we have a 10 year plan with milestones and deliverables. I'm suggesting that when we do something under the heading of "community development" we have an obligation to make some attempt to measure it to determine if it actually moves us in that direction. Nobody is saying that

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/05/2016 07:41 AM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: >> Or, at the very least, can we make a commitment to track this data going >> > forward? > Let me play the devil's advocate here: What for? > > GSoC is completely free for the ASF (on the contrary, we even get a small > amount for every accepted > st

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/05/2016 07:37 AM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: > What money are we putting into this? I have no idea. That would be part of the data that I, as a member, would really like to know. > > Cheers, > > Uli > > On 03.12.16 23:16, Rich Bowen wrote: >> So, this question was asked several weeks ago, an

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/05/2016 07:41 AM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: >> Or, at the very least, can we make a commitment to track this data going >> > forward? > Let me play the devil's advocate here: What for? > > GSoC is completely free for the ASF (on the contrary, we even get a small > amount for every accepted > st

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
Perhaps something for ComDev is to work on engagement with software developers who don't currently consider themselves part of any ASF community, but use our software without contributing (much) back. These are generally more experienced than GSOC students, and while they won't have as much contin

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
I think GSOC is very valuable, both for the students and the ASF projects that participate. Even if a student does not hang around after GSOC (were they made committer?) it is still good for communities to get fresh drive and ideas, and ask questions which established committers might not have tho

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 12/05/2016 03:46 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > Ulrich Stärk wrote on 12/5/16 9:27 AM: >> On 05.12.16 14:30, Daniel Gruno wrote: >>> On 12/05/2016 01:41 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: > ...snip... >>> But this goes beyond GSoC in my mind. We should be looking at ALL ComDev >>> projects and evaluate what we

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Shane Curcuru
Ulrich Stärk wrote on 12/5/16 9:27 AM: > On 05.12.16 14:30, Daniel Gruno wrote: >> On 12/05/2016 01:41 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: ...snip... >> But this goes beyond GSoC in my mind. We should be looking at ALL ComDev >> projects and evaluate what we want to keep, what isn't working, and what >> needs

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Ulrich Stärk
On 05.12.16 14:30, Daniel Gruno wrote: > On 12/05/2016 01:41 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: >> On 03.12.16 23:16, Rich Bowen wrote: >>> So, this question was asked several weeks ago, and, so far, we have no >>> statistics. I wonder if, now that there appears to be some interest >>> around GSoC 2017 starti

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 12/05/2016 02:59 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: >> ...The task of ComDev is developing community. If we don't have any data or >> interest in acquiring such to show that this is in fact helping towards >> that, then we should consid

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > ...The task of ComDev is developing community. If we don't have any data or > interest in acquiring such to show that this is in fact helping towards > that, then we should consider whether the current strategy is the right > thing to focu

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 12/05/2016 01:41 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: > On 03.12.16 23:16, Rich Bowen wrote: >> So, this question was asked several weeks ago, and, so far, we have no >> statistics. I wonder if, now that there appears to be some interest >> around GSoC 2017 starting up, someone could look back at their notes

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Ulrich Stärk
On 03.12.16 23:16, Rich Bowen wrote: > So, this question was asked several weeks ago, and, so far, we have no > statistics. I wonder if, now that there appears to be some interest > around GSoC 2017 starting up, someone could look back at their notes and > answer some of these questions. > > While

Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?

2016-12-05 Thread Ulrich Stärk
What money are we putting into this? Cheers, Uli On 03.12.16 23:16, Rich Bowen wrote: > So, this question was asked several weeks ago, and, so far, we have no > statistics. I wonder if, now that there appears to be some interest > around GSoC 2017 starting up, someone could look back at their no

Re: Re-launching the ComDev Blog

2016-12-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Alexander Bezzubov wrote: > ...I would be happy > to post it there, if somebody could grant the rights... What's your username for https://blogs.apache.org ? -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

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