Re: Storm / Heron

2015-08-21 Thread Ted Dunning
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Andy Flosdorf wrote: > In the past 18 months, our organization has undertaken a project utilizing > Apache Storm. However, we’ve recently learned that Twitter has replaced > Storm with Heron. > > > > Are there any resources that discuss this transition by Twitter

RE: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[Failing at dealing with this cross-posted and variously-branched discussion on two lists, so I am doing it too. Also OT with respect to Ross's declaration, but it has to do with the fact that "release" is not so well distinguished as one might hope.] Minor nit? #1: Generally, because of wha

Re: Storm / Heron

2015-08-21 Thread Joe Witt
Hello Andy, Recommend reaching out to the Apache Storm community directly [1]. Most like to the user list [2]. Thanks Joe [1] https://storm.apache.org/community.html [2] u...@storm.apache.org On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Andy Flosdorf wrote: > Hello – > > > > In the past 18 months, our

Storm / Heron

2015-08-21 Thread Andy Flosdorf
Hello - In the past 18 months, our organization has undertaken a project utilizing Apache Storm. However, we've recently learned that Twitter has replaced Storm with Heron. Are there any resources that discuss this transition by Twitter in the context of Apache's plans to continue to develop

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
> > They do? This is the statement of the VP Legal, so whether it is right or > wrong, here at the ASF we attempt to honor the 'spirit' of the policy of > other licensors when we use their code, and we would hope others would > honor the 'spirit' of our policies here. It that is the underlying >

RE: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Ross Gardler
Jim already addressed this in an overlapping email. I tried to address it but it seems quibbling over individual words describing process was more important than understanding the intended message. So let me try again, this time using the corrected words in my email and adding Jim's further clar

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Aug 20, 2015, at 11:19 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> >> A snapshot is not a release. Licenses "kick in" at distribution/ >> release. >> > > Lets just imagine if Jim, VP Legal is actually correct in his > interpretation, and

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:27 PM, William A Rowe Jr > wrote: > > > > On Aug 20, 2015 08:52, "Jim Jagielski" wrote: > >> > >> Coming in late. > >> > >> A snapshot is not a release. Licenses "kick in" at distribution/ > >> release. > > > > I

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> Coming in late. >> >> A snapshot is not a release. Licenses "kick in" at distribution/ >> release. > > Are you sure? When you have a public source control repo, with a > LICENS

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:27 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote: > > On Aug 20, 2015 08:52, "Jim Jagielski" wrote: >> >> Coming in late. >> >> A snapshot is not a release. Licenses "kick in" at distribution/ >> release. > > I want to fix FUD before it infests the rafters and subfloor. I really > hav

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Christopher
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Shawn Heisey wrote: >> ...Their changes do mean that when people come to the solr-user mailing >> list looking for help, we sometimes have to refer them to the downstream >> maintainers, because we can'

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Shawn Heisey wrote: > On 8/20/2015 8:03 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > If a distro takes a release of Apache X, and make significant changes to > > it, and then distributes it, I believe that it's not OK with us for them > to > > simply call it Apache X. I've see

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Roya Abdi
a در تاریخ ۲۱ اوت ۲۰۱۵ ۱۸:۲۴، "Shawn Heisey" نوشت: > On 8/20/2015 8:03 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > If a distro takes a release of Apache X, and make significant changes to > > it, and then distributes it, I believe that it's not OK with us for them > to > > simply call it Apache X. I've seen

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Shawn Heisey wrote: > ...Their changes do mean that when people come to the solr-user mailing > list looking for help, we sometimes have to refer them to the downstream > maintainers, because we can't make any sense of where things are To me this is clearly a

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-21 Thread Shawn Heisey
On 8/20/2015 8:03 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > If a distro takes a release of Apache X, and make significant changes to > it, and then distributes it, I believe that it's not OK with us for them to > simply call it Apache X. I've seen some evidence that Gentoo Linux makes a > regular habit of this