Re: Veto! Veto?

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > Here's a better not-quite-so-hypothetical example. A project like > MyFaces > > has to pass the TCK testing suite provided by Oracle. We would not want > > to allow unrestricted commit access by someone who did not > > understand profoun

Re: Veto! Veto?

On 03/23/2015 01:31 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: Here's a better not-quite-so-hypothetical example. A project like MyFaces >has to pass the TCK testing suite provided by Oracle. We would not want >to allow unrestricted commit access by someone who did not >understand profoundly and intuitively th

Re: Veto! Veto?

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > If a project decides not to make a certain individual a committer, the Board > *will not* step in to police that, as you say. It is the project's decision > who will be a committer. Right. At the same time if the hypothetical PMC repeatedly fai

Re: Veto! Veto?

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Mike Kienenberger wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > The board, and comdev, will say "here's how we think things should go", > > but there's a lot of room between a mature project like httpd, where > > someone has 20 years worth of

Re: gtk requirements for builds?

sorry for this post -- wrong "dev" list On 03/22/2015 02:04 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > GTK is enabled by default for our builds. > > I don't see this listed as a build requirement for either Windows or > Mac, however. So, should this build flag be changed to non-enabled > generally and only enabled

Re: Veto! Veto?

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > The board, and comdev, will say "here's how we think things should go", > but there's a lot of room between a mature project like httpd, where > someone has 20 years worth of information to read about how to get started, > and a newer project

Re: Veto! Veto?

On 03/23/2015 12:44 PM, Alex Harui wrote: On 3/23/15, 2:39 AM, "Pierre Smits" wrote: If one of its principles or boundaries is community over code and if the ASF wants that the diversity within the communities of it projects is reflected in the group of committers and in PMC, how can it th

Re: Veto! Veto?

On 3/23/15, 2:39 AM, "Pierre Smits" wrote: > >If one of its principles or boundaries is community over code and if the >ASF wants that the diversity within the communities of it projects is >reflected in the group of committers and in PMC, how can it then be that a >PMC may have it different and

Re: Veto! Veto?

On 03/23/2015 05:39 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: The ASF defines the boundaries by with the projects are allowed to operate under its umbrella. If a project doesn't want to adhere to that, it doesn't belong under its umbrella. If one of its principles or boundaries is community over code and if the

Re: ACNA Presentation Template

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Rich Bowen wrote: On 03/22/2015 12:40 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Thanks Nick, those are great! I consider the problem solved. +1 OK then! Please all consider http://people.apache.org/~nick/ACNA15_Template_Nick.odp as ready for use by those who wish! Nick

RE: Veto! Veto?

I think we should not confuse consensus with unanimity, because a -1 need not cure to a +1. The procedures are more nuanced than that, , and there are many ways a cooperating participant can express their concern. I do notice that there

ACEU Presentation Template

Truly back at the same venue? . The hotel that gave rise to an Apache Project (incubating). Great! Wow, the logo with just "ApacheCon Europe" over the feather is great. Much easier to customize that one just once for Europe, and jus

Re: ACNA Presentation Template

On 03/22/2015 12:40 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Thanks Nick, those are great! I consider the problem solved. +1 In anticipation of the next AC-anywhere, I want to help turn this (and the previous two under Linux Foundation) into a form that can be repurposed/reused/customized along wi

Re: ACNA Presentation Template

On 03/21/2015 01:04 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: Sorry for jumping into the discussion late, but is there a chance for [semi-]official templates to be available for ACNA15? That's what we're discussing here. Thanks, Roman. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 19/0

Re: Apache POI CTPageMar not found

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, r01942072 wrote: I am using eclipse. I download Apache POI 3.12 Beta 1, add all jar files into java build path, but eclipse tells me that CTPageMar not found. Part of my code is shown below. This would be best asked on the POI user list, see http://poi.apache.org/mailingl

Apache POI CTPageMar not found

I am using eclipse. I download Apache POI 3.12 Beta 1, add all jar files into java build path, but eclipse tells me that CTPageMar not found. Part of my code is shown below. XWPFDocument doc = new XWPFDocument(); CTDocument1 doc1 = doc.get Document(); CTBody body = doc1.getBody(); CTSectPr sect

Re: Veto! Veto?

On 21/03/2015 19:24, "Pierre Smits" wrote: >If in stead of the veto possibility the simple majority rule was at play, >it might have been so that fewer project would have reported consecutively >that no new people were onboarded A lack of new people on-boarded does not necessarily indicate a pro

Re: Veto! Veto?

The ASF defines the boundaries by with the projects are allowed to operate under its umbrella. If a project doesn't want to adhere to that, it doesn't belong under its umbrella. If one of its principles or boundaries is community over code and if the ASF wants that the diversity within the communi

Re: Veto! Veto?

On Monday, March 23, 2015, Pierre Smits wrote: > The principle/policy/rule of the ASF regarding code changes is very > explicit, well documented and unambiguous. Can a project's PMC have another > methodology in place while being part of the ASF? I guess not. not another but always a tougher (e

Re: Veto! Veto?

The principle/policy/rule of the ASF regarding code changes is very explicit, well documented and unambiguous. Can a project's PMC have another methodology in place while being part of the ASF? I guess not. Consensus with respect to on and off boarding of people is nice, as it expresses unanimity.

Re: Veto! Veto?

An opinion poll is not the same as voting on a procedural issue. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Pierre Smits wro

Re: Veto! Veto?

On 23 March 2015 at 09:20, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Pierre Smits > wrote: > > ...if the ASF has as its principle that no vetoes are > > allowed, how can it be the remit of a project's PMC have it as its > policy?... > > Our PMCs have a lot of leeway and the

Re: Veto! Veto?

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > ...if the ASF has as its principle that no vetoes are > allowed, how can it be the remit of a project's PMC have it as its policy?... Our PMCs have a lot of leeway and the board doesn't micromanage them. In our loosely-coupled communities v

Re: Veto! Veto?

On 23 March 2015 at 09:02, Pierre Smits wrote: > When it comes to people, consensus (acceptance by unanimity) is the best > thing to have. But if the ASF has as its principle that no vetoes are > allowed, how can it be the remit of a project's PMC have it as its policy? > I think it is a matter

Re: Veto! Veto?

When it comes to people, consensus (acceptance by unanimity) is the best thing to have. But if the ASF has as its principle that no vetoes are allowed, how can it be the remit of a project's PMC have it as its policy? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & So