Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread janI
On 7 May 2013 20:44, Ulrich Stärk wrote: > Join infra. You will get to know all the dark corners of the ASF ;). > you might have heard of the bad, the good the ugly on the infra list called janIV. at least we have said "hi" on different ocasions. And about the dark corners, I think I got my sh

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Ulrich Stärk
Join infra. You will get to know all the dark corners of the ASF ;). No really. You will hear about lists, projects, web pages, etc. you would never have heard of otherwise or only if you spent a lot of time looking. Uli On 07.05.2013 20:39, Noah Slater wrote: > Sure, but it's not very prominen

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread janI
On 7 May 2013 20:03, Ulrich Stärk wrote: > We already have a listing at [1]. It's hidden behind 2 clicks from the > main site. We could use that > as a starting point. > > Uli > > [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ > > On 07.05.2013 18:22, Noah Slater wrote: > > A note to committers@ m

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Noah Slater
Sure, but it's not very prominent, and things get lost in the noise. I was thinking something more like a page for foundation-wide lists that people might want to subscribe to. I really had to go hunting around for things when I decided to up my involvement and a lot of it was a surprise for me.

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Ulrich Stärk
We already have a listing at [1]. It's hidden behind 2 clicks from the main site. We could use that as a starting point. Uli [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ On 07.05.2013 18:22, Noah Slater wrote: > A note to committers@ might be a good first start. But, in general, I > really thi

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Ulrich Stärk
+0 I'm not against it but I don't actively support it either. Do you know release-discuss@? That was meant as a cross-project list for discussing release issues and has seen seven threads within the last three years with the last one from march last year (excluding cross-list announcements). I

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Noah Slater
It would be a shame to scrap the idea because we are presuming the worst in everyone. That seems very anti-ASF to me. A better approach might be to appoint "social" moderators (i.e. gate keepers of the civility) that reign the conversation back in if and when things go off-track. Also, we do have

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > WDYT? I'm skeptical that it will work out well. I'd expect the list to descend into shouting matches between warring tribes and to end up as an echo chamber dominated by the faction which can generate the greatest volume of email. On

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Noah Slater
A note to committers@ might be a good first start. But, in general, I really think we need to do a better job of communicating the existing mailing lists we have. Perhaps a page on the main site, or on the community site, would be a good start. On 7 May 2013 16:58, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > ...the problem with Yet Another Mailing List, which is that we don't know > about the ones that we > already have, and so how will people know about this one. Hmm. Dunno We'll tweet about it! Tell the world! Write fantastic things on it so

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Rich Bowen
On May 7, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Noah Slater wrote: > Well, release-discuss[1] was one place suggested for things like "how do we > version releases?" (The only correct answer being semver! *wink*) But > unfortunately, discussion sort of dried up there. > > [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mb

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > Well, release-discuss[1] was one place suggested for things like "how do we > version releases?" (The only correct answer being semver! *wink*) But > unfortunately, discussion sort of dried up there I wasn't aware of that one - yes that's t

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Noah Slater
Well, release-discuss[1] was one place suggested for things like "how do we version releases?" (The only correct answer being semver! *wink*) But unfortunately, discussion sort of dried up there. [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-release-discuss/ [2] http://semver.org/ On 7 May 20

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Rich Bowen
On May 7, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Suresh Marru wrote: > Hi Bertrand, > > This is a great idea + 1. > > Infact a useful exchange of ideas of will be on release versioning and audit > of stability. To be precise, when should we call a software 1.0, the PMC can > decide itself, but can it solicit fee

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Suresh Marru as new Community Development PMC member

2013-05-07 Thread Suresh Marru
Thank you Luciano, Piergiorgio, Chris and Bertrand for the warm welcome. Glad to hang out here, looking forward to provide some concrete contributions, Suresh On May 6, 2013, at 2:52 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: >> Please join me in w

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Suresh Marru
Hi Bertrand, This is a great idea + 1. Infact a useful exchange of ideas of will be on release versioning and audit of stability. To be precise, when should we call a software 1.0, the PMC can decide itself, but can it solicit feedback from other projects which went this route and have them sp

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Why not use dev@community (with subject tags?)... IMO community is about community building, tech@ would be for the hardcore tech stuff. It's a different audience IMO (with overlap of course), which warrants a different list. -Bertrand

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Ross Gardler
Why not use dev@community (with subject tags?) I don't object to a new list, just adding another option. Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity On 7 May 2013 06:20, "Bertrand Delacretaz" wrote: > Hi, > > We don't seem to have a place for cross-cutting technical discussion

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Javin Paul
Indeed a great idea, +1. On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Charith Madusanka wrote: > +1, nice idea. > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > > On May 7, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > We don't seem to have a place for cross-cutting t

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Charith Madusanka
+1, nice idea. On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On May 7, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > We don't seem to have a place for cross-cutting technical discussions > > at the ASF - language and system issues, standards implementations, > > etc. >

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Rich Bowen
On May 7, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > We don't seem to have a place for cross-cutting technical discussions > at the ASF - language and system issues, standards implementations, > etc. > > To fix this, I suggest creating a public t...@apache.org list, owned > by comde

Re: t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Shashi Shailaj
Appears to be a great idea. On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > We don't seem to have a place for cross-cutting technical discussions > at the ASF - language and system issues, standards implementations, > etc. > > To fix this, I suggest creating a public t...@ap

t...@apache.org ?

2013-05-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, We don't seem to have a place for cross-cutting technical discussions at the ASF - language and system issues, standards implementations, etc. To fix this, I suggest creating a public t...@apache.org list, owned by comdev, with the following rules: -Technical discussions on cross-cutting top