Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Ross Gardler
On 16/09/2010 19:43, Ted Dunning wrote: I'll take some if you are offering. No juics and cookies from me, but there'll be beet and wine at ApacheCon ;-) (I guess we'll have some non-alcoholic drinks too) Ross On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Benson Margulieswrote: No argument with that.

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Ted Dunning
I'll take some if you are offering. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > No argument with that. Though there are some days on members@ where I feel > like someone needs to hand out juice and cookies. >

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > FWIW my takeaway from the article is that mentoring is a more > effective way to facilitate change than any other type of > social program. I didn't put much stock into the child-raising > argument as it doesn't really apply to us: we deal w

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Joe Schaefer
FWIW my takeaway from the article is that mentoring is a more effective way to facilitate change than any other type of social program. I didn't put much stock into the child-raising argument as it doesn't really apply to us: we deal with adults. - Original Message > From: Benson Margu

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Benson Margulies
Feh. Another screed about raising children from someone who has, apparently, never met one. Every parent I know has had the same experience: hand some infant female a truck, and she rejects it. I'm carefully choosing my words to avoid claiming that this is universal, as opposed to extremely common

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Joe Schaefer
Indeed, and on my birthday no less. Good read. - Original Message > From: Bertrand Delacretaz > To: dev@community.apache.org > Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 12:31:56 PM > Subject: Re: [proposal] integrating wo...@a.o into an Apache code of practice > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > ...I think > we should remain open to future initiatives, even those that > present potential "corrective" biases which favor underrepresented > groups I agree with that. About women, I found this article very interesting: http://jolieod

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message > From: Bertrand Delacretaz > To: dev@community.apache.org > Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 11:54:50 AM > Subject: Re: [proposal] integrating wo...@a.o into an Apache code of practice > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Sean Owen wrote: > > ...I like the idea that A

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Sean Owen wrote: > ...I like the idea that Apache, like all upstanding meritocracies, > doesn't think of either gender as a 'special case'. Committers are > just committers, not boy committers or girl committers... Absolutely agree with that, thanks for your comme

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Sean Owen
>From the uninformed peanut gallery: I don't understand just about any of this thread of messages, if it's supposed to be serious. Am I thick? or is it supposed to be simply humorous? If humorous, it's pretty elaborate and not bad and all that, but, is this related to Apache any longer? I like th

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Benson Margulies
The women who are actively involved in the ASF led the process of creating, evaluating, and destroying the mailing list that started this whole discussion. They are more than capable and willing to speak/type up about any problems they see. Which Apache communities are you an active member of, and

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

2010-09-16 Thread Anjana G Bhattacharjee
ARCHIVAL NOTE ONLY as at 8 weeks since inception of this proposal -- Prototyping of a wo...@a.o is commencing care of the email address and infrastructure of wo...@aporia-works.org by way of an instantiation of womAn@., of which a wo...@apache.org may - or may not - become a next in due course. F