Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-11 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 11/08/2011 8:13 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: I was going to say: "That would put Sebb in charge of the ASF!!!", but then I noticed that after the import of Jena Andy Seaborne appears to be the top count committer (I know, that doesn't measure size of commit). [http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/rep

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 10/08/2011 3:59 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: "Creating a branch of commons-digester using SLF4J/jul/log4jv2 will not convince anyone." I am sorry, but deciding for other people what they are going to think is no way to go either. Experimenting by branching is leading by example. This is a good o

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 10/08/2011 3:47 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: So, why do you want to measure my coding efficiency? Not even my Boss (if I would have one) is allowed to do that! Commit points measure my coding skills probably, not my human skills. Commit points as described in my blog measure the number of

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 10/08/2011 8:02 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Ceki Gulcu wrote: * On the ASF model In a nutshell, while the ASF is a great organization in many ways, it is not a meritocracy mainly because merit is not measured at all and at the project level no responsiblity is

Re: [logging] logging vs slf4j

2011-08-05 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 05/08/2011 9:53 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: It's a set of decisions you have to make - what I'm advocating (with 'if you can help it') is to ask yourself "do I need logging?" rather than "how can I add logging?". I think a lot is added due to the latter approach. +1 Hen -- Ceki -

Re: [logging] logging vs slf4j

2011-08-03 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Antonio Petrelli wrote: > However in my experience SLF4J has a big drawback: when used in a > shared classloader (JBoss Portal anyone?) it is needed to have the > same stinky old version of SLF4J in all applications during compile > time, and the library should be excluded from the package. Hell