Re: [graph] first random thoughts and considerations

2011-06-16 Thread Arshad Ansari
Hello Simone, Thanks for the update, we have been waiting. Although, I had this question, I don't see the graph being listed as a project under sandbox, now that it is moved there. My questions was related to how to submit patches or bugs. as I don't see the project in Jira as well. Is it ok, if I

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:54, Torsten Curdt wrote: >> >> With all honesty - it should switch to ASM and not look back. > > Xalan uses BCEL too FWIW. I'm not sure how that helps. From what I can tell Xalan is fairly close to moving to the attic i

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote: >> Not sure what >> factors contributed to the stagnation of BCEL development, but I like >> to think of Commons as "the" swiss army knife for Java developers--any >> library with a sharply defined surface area and, even better, >> satisfying s

Re: [pool][dbcp] Ongoing saga of setFactory

2011-06-16 Thread Gary Gregory
I think 2.0 is the opportunity to do this right. Almost like we were designing this from scratch. Making the factory an invariant of the pool sounds good. Otoh If a setFactory method exists it should be implemented fully. The throw an exception impl is pretty "smelly". Gary On Jun 16, 2011, at

[graph] first random thoughts and considerations

2011-06-16 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi al guys, after few activity on graph I finally brought the component in a decent state to start speaking with the rest of the community, also because people interested on it are waiting :) As I expressed in the previous mail, 'commons-graph' should be a general purpose library for working with g

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Gary Gregory
On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:54, Torsten Curdt wrote: > > > Given that I have looked a bit after BCEL over the past few years here > are my two cents: > > BCEL development is dead dead dead ... still people come and use it. > Why they don't use ASM is beyond me. I myself use ASM whenever I can. > For t

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:32 PM, James Carman wrote: > Perhaps Proxy could use BCEL to implement ProxyFactory (or whatever > it's called these days). As Thorsten wrote, they can (and perhaps even should) use ASM. The fact that a project might be used by yet another project, is not a sufficient r

Re: [pool][dbcp] Ongoing saga of setFactory

2011-06-16 Thread Phil Steitz
On 6/16/11 10:19 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 16/06/2011 17:32, sebb wrote: >> On 16 June 2011 17:25, Phil Steitz wrote: >>> Yesterday I fixed some [dbcp] "problems" caused by the new [pool] >>> requirement that setFactory can only be called once. The quotes are >>> because most of the problems we

Re: [pool][dbcp] Ongoing saga of setFactory

2011-06-16 Thread Mark Thomas
On 16/06/2011 17:32, sebb wrote: > On 16 June 2011 17:25, Phil Steitz wrote: >> Yesterday I fixed some [dbcp] "problems" caused by the new [pool] >> requirement that setFactory can only be called once. The quotes are >> because most of the problems were redundant calls to setFactory. >> The reaso

Re: [pool][dbcp] Ongoing saga of setFactory

2011-06-16 Thread Phil Steitz
On 6/16/11 9:32 AM, sebb wrote: > On 16 June 2011 17:25, Phil Steitz wrote: >> Yesterday I fixed some [dbcp] "problems" caused by the new [pool] >> requirement that setFactory can only be called once. The quotes are >> because most of the problems were redundant calls to setFactory. >> The reason

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Torsten Curdt
>> So according to you byte code manipulation is a "commonly encountered >> need" for java developers? >> I guess then Commons should/could be the home of virtually any java >> library out there. > > Point taken; however, from the "when all you have is a hammer" > perspective, if byte code generati

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread James Carman
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Matt Benson wrote: > > Point taken; however, from the "when all you have is a hammer" > perspective, if byte code generation/manipulation were made easy > enough, folk might use it more!  ;) > Perhaps Proxy could use BCEL to implement ProxyFactory (or whatever it

Re: [pool][dbcp] Ongoing saga of setFactory

2011-06-16 Thread sebb
On 16 June 2011 17:25, Phil Steitz wrote: > Yesterday I fixed some [dbcp] "problems" caused by the new [pool] > requirement that setFactory can only be called once.  The quotes are > because most of the problems were redundant calls to setFactory. > The reason that we left setFactory in [pool] is

[pool][dbcp] Ongoing saga of setFactory

2011-06-16 Thread Phil Steitz
Yesterday I fixed some [dbcp] "problems" caused by the new [pool] requirement that setFactory can only be called once. The quotes are because most of the problems were redundant calls to setFactory. The reason that we left setFactory in [pool] is that [dbcp]'s connection factory constructors call

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Matt Benson
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote: >> Not sure what >> factors contributed to the stagnation of BCEL development, but I like >> to think of Commons as "the" swiss army knife for Java developers--any >> library with a sharply defined surface area and, even better, >> satisfying

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Torsten Curdt
> Not sure what > factors contributed to the stagnation of BCEL development, but I like > to think of Commons as "the" swiss army knife for Java developers--any > library with a sharply defined surface area and, even better, > satisfying some need commonly encountered by Java developers, belongs >

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Phil Steitz
On 6/16/11 8:22 AM, Matt Benson wrote: > (accidentally sent to Jochen personally before, sorry) > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Jochen Wiedmann > wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Matt Benson wrote: >> >>> Considering [1], I'd say it's more relevant now than, arguably, ever. >> Are

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Matt Benson
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Matt Benson wrote: > (accidentally sent to Jochen personally before, sorry) > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Jochen Wiedmann > wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Matt Benson wrote: >> >>> Considering [1], I'd say it's more relevant now than, arguabl

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Matt Benson
(accidentally sent to Jochen personally before, sorry) On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Matt Benson wrote: > >> Considering [1], I'd say it's more relevant now than, arguably, ever. > > Are you sure, that's related? Reading [2], my under

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Matt Benson
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:28 PM, sebb wrote: > >> It could just be that the other interested parties are on holiday, or >> that they agree with the move and don't feel the need to say so. > > May be, but it should also be noted the replie

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Matt Benson wrote: > Considering [1], I'd say it's more relevant now than, arguably, ever. Are you sure, that's related? Reading [2], my understanding is that JCS doesn't aim to implement JSR-107, but to be "close to". [2] http://jakarta.apache.org/jcs/JCSandJCA

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:28 PM, sebb wrote: > It could just be that the other interested parties are on holiday, or > that they agree with the move and don't feel the need to say so. May be, but it should also be noted the replies came from people like you, which are most likely interested in J

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Simone Tripodi
+1 to Matt, wise said :) http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Matt Benson wrote: > First, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who hadn't heard of JCS. > Considering [1], I'd say it's more relevant now than, arguably, ever. > I'd like

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Matt Benson
First, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who hadn't heard of JCS. Considering [1], I'd say it's more relevant now than, arguably, ever. I'd like to work on it. From the Jakarta threads, Thomas Vandahl offered to step up, so given our low bar for existing ASF committers, it should have enough ca

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread sebb
On 16 June 2011 14:53, Torsten Curdt wrote: > > > Given that I have looked a bit after BCEL over the past few years here > are my two cents: > > BCEL development is dead dead dead ... still people come and use it. > Why they don't use ASM is beyond me. I myself use ASM whenever I can. Just check

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Torsten Curdt
Given that I have looked a bit after BCEL over the past few years here are my two cents: BCEL development is dead dead dead ... still people come and use it. Why they don't use ASM is beyond me. I myself use ASM whenever I can. For those how want "easier" I would suggest javassist ...if it wasn'

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Konstantin Kolinko
2011/6/16 Mark Thomas : > On 16/06/2011 13:07, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: >> In all honesty, Rahul: For BCEL wouldn't it be better to archive it? > > For the record, Tomcat 7 is using a partial, package renamed fork of > BCEL but isn't doing anything that might be considered active > development. I don

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread sebb
On 16 June 2011 13:12, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > And now, after reading through the threads below: Same question for JCS? > > As I see it, you got only three replies in more than one week to such > an important topic. That's not the smell of an active project? It could just be that the other inter

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread sebb
On 16 June 2011 13:07, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > In all honesty, Rahul: For BCEL wouldn't it be better to archive it? There have been quite a few changes to BCEL since the last release (5.2), including several this year, so if we do archive it, let's at least do another release first. > > On Thu,

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Mark Thomas
On 16/06/2011 13:07, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > In all honesty, Rahul: For BCEL wouldn't it be better to archive it? For the record, Tomcat 7 is using a partial, package renamed fork of BCEL but isn't doing anything that might be considered active development. I don't think a move to the attic would

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
And now, after reading through the threads below: Same question for JCS? As I see it, you got only three replies in more than one week to such an important topic. That's not the smell of an active project? Jochen On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > In all honesty, Rahul:

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
In all honesty, Rahul: For BCEL wouldn't it be better to archive it? On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Rahul Akolkar wrote: > As Jakarta winds down, we are looking for sustainable homes for couple > of Java libraries -- BCEL [1] and JCS [2]. These aren't very different > from many Commons librari

[GUMP@vmgump]: Project commons-proxy-test (in module apache-commons) failed

2011-06-16 Thread Gump
To whom it may engage... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at gene...@gump.apache.org. Project commons-proxy-test has an issue affecting its community integration. This

[GUMP@vmgump]: Project commons-digester3-test (in module apache-commons) failed

2011-06-16 Thread Gump
To whom it may engage... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at gene...@gump.apache.org. Project commons-digester3-test has an issue affecting its community integration. T

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread sebb
On 16 June 2011 03:24, Rahul Akolkar wrote: > As Jakarta winds down, we are looking for sustainable homes for couple > of Java libraries -- BCEL [1] and JCS [2]. These aren't very different > from many Commons libraries in size, number of developers, list > traffic etc. Would Commons be interested

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2011-06-16, Rahul Akolkar wrote: > As Jakarta winds down, we are looking for sustainable homes for couple > of Java libraries -- BCEL [1] and JCS [2]. These aren't very different > from many Commons libraries in size, number of developers, list > traffic etc. Would Commons be interested in acce

Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?

2011-06-16 Thread luc . maisonobe
- "Rahul Akolkar" a écrit : > As Jakarta winds down, we are looking for sustainable homes for > couple > of Java libraries -- BCEL [1] and JCS [2]. These aren't very > different > from many Commons libraries in size, number of developers, list > traffic etc. Would Commons be interested in ac