Agree with the ideal world scenario :-)
If we look at it from the other side: Why is it that people want to stay on
older releases?
From personal experience I know that in the beginning the 4.4 release wasn’t
that stable. I upgraded production systems from 4.3.0 to 4.4.2 and it was
painful. Th
On Jul 3, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Rene Moser wrote:
> Sebastien,
>
> So wouldn't it be nice to make clear which release is still supported
> and which release is not?
>
> On 03.07.2015 09:20, sebgoa wrote:
>
>> I think we got in a situation with 4.4 that called for us to keep
>> maintaining 4.3….
Sebastien,
So wouldn't it be nice to make clear which release is still supported
and which release is not?
On 03.07.2015 09:20, sebgoa wrote:
> I think we got in a situation with 4.4 that called for us to keep maintaining
> 4.3….and even after 4.5 was released. Because 4.3 was seen as a good re
On Jul 2, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Remi Bergsma wrote:
> Bug fixing in older releases is actually a lot of work. For security related
> issues we could maybe do it.
>
> Personally, I prefer to have a fast release cycle and smooth (tested) upgrade
> paths over 2-year LTS release cycle. It's more agi
Bug fixing in older releases is actually a lot of work. For security related
issues we could maybe do it.
Personally, I prefer to have a fast release cycle and smooth (tested) upgrade
paths over 2-year LTS release cycle. It's more agile. As a bonus, people get
the new features.
The more peop
Hi everyone,
Thanks for a great discussion.
I understand it may be difficult to support releases for several years with
CloudStack’s fast paced development, and the statistics Leo shared are
certainly not what I was aiming for.
I think it will be difficult to gather agreement in this stage and
Hey hey,
Ooh, interesting topic. I'm going to top-post because I want to focus on the
big picture!
* Apache HTTPD provides 8+ years of support for old releases.
* Tomcat provides 6+ years of support for N-2 release.
* Ant provides 12+ years of backward compatiblity, so far.
(details below)
I th
-- Original --
From: "Andrei Mikhailovsky";
Date: Thu, Nov 27, 2014 08:51 PM
To: "dev";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] LTS Releases
ChunFeng,
I think as long as there is a change to the current efforts it will improve the
stability of the product. At th
want to have a
production ready system and they perhaps be less likely to install and test the
non-LTS release.
Andrei
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> From: "ChunFeng"
> To: "dev"
> Sent: Thursday, 27 November, 2014 10:36:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] LTS Releas
ING,
POLISHING ", "then LTS becomes less important" and " I’m not in favor of
supporting LTS releases as a community. "
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Regards,
ChunFeng
-- Original --
From: "sebgoa";
Date: Thu, Nov 27, 2014
kporting issues
>already and I hope many developers will join this effort.
Andrei
- Original Message -
> From: "Andrija Panic"
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Thursday, 27 November, 2014 8:01:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] LTS Releases
> my 2 cent
On Nov 27, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Andrija Panic wrote:
> my 2 cents again:
>
> Whether we have this LTS release or not - is not just about having release
> - we need a WAY to focus here on FIXING, POLISHING product and more
> important to stimulate/make developers interested in doing so.
> If this w
my 2 cents again:
Whether we have this LTS release or not - is not just about having release
- we need a WAY to focus here on FIXING, POLISHING product and more
important to stimulate/make developers interested in doing so.
If this was company owned product, it would be very easy to set goals, and
I'm not really in favor of LTS support, it's a good idea, but not sure it
can be backed by the community?[open question here ;)]. I don't think it
fit in our current model for few reasons:
- Upgrade path might become impossible as patches become part of multiple
versions. We could end up with prob
- Original Message -
> Hi,
> During CCCEU14 conference and over emails, I spoke with many
> CloudStack users and I think most of us would like to have and use
> LTS releases. I propose that;
> - We encourage a habit to backport a bugfix to all qualifying
> branches whether or not those b
Top posting here as my remarks are mainly on the original topic.
I’m not in favor of supporting LTS releases as a community. The reasoning here
is that there is a huge chance that we will fragment the community in people
that just want to work on the latest and greatest and some other folks who
Rohit, I consider you my friend and colleague, I could reply on
everything said but do not want to escalate on all the details. The
only remark I want to make is that 4.4 is open for commits from here
on in.
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> Hey Daan,
>
>> On 25-Nov-2014, at 7
Hey Daan,
> On 25-Nov-2014, at 7:26 pm, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>
> That is worrying, Rohit. As the rest of your mail is already a vote of
> distrust, this part says we should not release 4.4.2 as it contains
> regressions.
Looks like you skimmed my email and missed the following from my previous e
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Nux! wrote:
> I like 4.4 better than 4.3 for my use case and despite the bugs I hit it does
> its job.
> If I were to deploy today it would still be with 4.4. Hope this makes you
> feel better. :-)
It makes me feel the hero;) Seriously, I don't feel bad about 4
...@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] LTS Releases
Daan,
I like 4.4 better than 4.3 for my use case and despite the bugs I hit it does
its job.
If I were to deploy today it would still be with 4.4. Hope this makes you feel
better. :-)
Lucian
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> From: "Daan Hoogland"
> To: "dev"
> Cc: us...@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 13:56:12
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] LTS Releases
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Rohit Yadav
> wrote:
>> The 4.4 branch does not contain many
rant using Borg technology!
Nux!
www.nux.ro
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> From: "Rohit Yadav"
> To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 13:40:23
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] LTS Releases
> Hi Wido and Lucian,
>
&g
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> The 4.4 branch does not contain many bugfixes which are in 4.3 and on
> master/4.5.
That is worrying, Rohit. As the rest of your mail is already a vote of
distrust, this part says we should not release 4.4.2 as it contains
regressions. This
Hi Wido and Lucian,
There are many ways to get to a stable product including fixing coverity
issues, unit/integration tests etc. but one of those ways is to simply support
existing releases with bugfix releases because most CloudStack users just don’t
care about git workflows, or coverity or un
Like Wido, I also agree with LTS, but also think 4.3 is kind of old by now and
4.4.2 is looking good.
Perhaps take a step back and see how 4.5 goes and start with that one?
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www.nux.ro
- Original Message -
> From: "Rohit Yadav"
Hi,
On 11/25/2014 12:30 PM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> Hi,
>
> During CCCEU14 conference and over emails, I spoke with many CloudStack users
> and I think most of us would like to have and use LTS releases. I propose
> that;
>
> - We encourage a habit to backport a bugfix to all qualifying branches
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