Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-18 Thread Eric Evans
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:19 AM sankalp kohli wrote: > > Hi, > Community has been discussing about Apache Cassandra Management process > since April and we had lot of discussion about which approach to take to > get started. Several contributors have been interested in doing this and we > nee

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Rahul Singh
A. +1. Bias for action. Use something that works. Iterate. Rahul Singh Chief Executive Officer m 202.905.2818 Anant Corporation 1010 Wisconsin Ave NW, Suite 250 Washington, D.C. 20007 We build and manage digital business technology platforms. On Sep 12, 2018, 8:23 PM -0400, Jeff Beck , wrote: >

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Jeff Beck
a. +1 to use some existing project. But I see no reason not to keep discussion going. Jeff On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 7:37 AM Sankalp Kohli wrote: > The link to the document is available in the other thread. Comparisons are > available in other thread as well. > > > On Sep 12, 2018, at 16:29, Mick

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Sankalp Kohli
The link to the document is available in the other thread. Comparisons are available in other thread as well. > On Sep 12, 2018, at 16:29, Mick Semb Wever wrote: > > >> I am hoping all the folks who are saying we should not vote will drive the >> other thread. Also note that there is consens

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Mick Semb Wever
> I am hoping all the folks who are saying we should not vote will drive the > other thread. Also note that there is consensus about doing a side car but > no consensus on which approach to take. I hope not deciding which approach > is not a poison pill for side car!! Call me pedantic, but I s

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread sankalp kohli
I am hoping all the folks who are saying we should not vote will drive the other thread. Also note that there is consensus about doing a side car but no consensus on which approach to take. I hope not deciding which approach is not a poison pill for side car!! On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 4:11 PM Mi

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Mick Semb Wever
> But I'd like to see a serious investigation of the options -- feature set, > maturity, maintainer availability, etc -- before making a decision. This > will take some time, but this is a place where "measure twice, cut once" > seems like the right approach. This^ 100%. I dislike the idea o

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread sankalp kohli
Hi Joey, The intention of this vote is to do what you are saying. We want to see movement on this and not drag it for months. I am happy to drag it for few more weeks if thats is what we agree on. Regarding evaluating different options, if we decide on option a, we can always do that

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Joseph Lynch
> I'd like to ask those of you that are +1'ing, are you willing to contribute > or are you just voting we start an admin tool from scratch because you > think it'll somehow produce a perfect codebase? Roopa, Vinay, Sumanth and I are voting as community members (and a sizeable user) and our willing

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Joshua McKenzie
Thanks. :) sleep deprivation is real. To Ellis' point: "But I'd like to see a serious investigation of the options " While we've talked about a lot of things on that email thread, I don't think we have a distilled view of the gap between current status for these options and the resources available

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread sankalp kohli
Congrats on the newborn. I am assuming others also have personal things going on!! Also discussion thread is ongoing from April and not last 4 days. If enough people think it is rushed, we can always revote. On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:24 PM Joshua McKenzie wrote: > That was four days ago, and I

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Joshua McKenzie
That was four days ago, and I have a newborn at home. Not a lot of time for people to respond that have other things going on in life. :) On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 5:13 PM sankalp kohli wrote: > If you think vote is being forced, why not reply to my email on another > thread when I said we should

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread sankalp kohli
If you think vote is being forced, why not reply to my email on another thread when I said we should vote? Why was the thread dead for months and someone comes back with a contribution and then people starts talking? I would have happily waited for few more days!! On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:09 P

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Joshua McKenzie
> > It is important we make progress as we have been discussing this since > April!! The discussion was making progress. Just because you want things to happen faster is no reason to force an early vote. On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 5:04 PM sankalp kohli wrote: > Also my vote is same as Jeff. d bu

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Jonathan Ellis
I agree that it's premature to pick an option here. For the record, my bias would be towards option (a) because my experience is that it's much more productive to start with something that works and extend it, than try to build a combination of different ideas. Especially if the latter tends towar

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread sankalp kohli
Also my vote is same as Jeff. d but would slightly prefer b. It is important we make progress as we have been discussing this since April!! On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:52 PM sankalp kohli wrote: > The last email on the thread was 3 days ago and I made it clear days back > that we should vote on it

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread sankalp kohli
The last email on the thread was 3 days ago and I made it clear days back that we should vote on it to make progress. Without this vote, I am not sure we will make progress. Many people want to contribute on this and hence we are voting so we can make progress. My vote is d On Wed, Sep 12, 2018

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Jonathan Haddad
This voting process feels a bit rushed and frankly not well thought out. In addition to Sylvain's valid points, which you (Sankalp) didn't address at all, the discussion in the other threads seemed to be ongoing. The last email you wrote on one of them was asking for additional feedback, that indi

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread sankalp kohli
Hi Sylvain, I would appreciate if we can give feedback on the discussion threads and not wait for vote threads. I made it clear in the discussion thread that we will start a vote!! Thanks, Sankalp On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:47 PM Jeff Jirsa wrote: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:41

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Jeff Jirsa
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:41 PM Sylvain Lebresne wrote: > That's probably a stupid question, and excuse me if it is, but what does > those votes on the dev mailing list even mean? > > How do you count votes at the end? Just by counting all votes cast, > irregardless of whomever cast it? Or are w

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Sylvain Lebresne
That's probably a stupid question, and excuse me if it is, but what does those votes on the dev mailing list even mean? How do you count votes at the end? Just by counting all votes cast, irregardless of whomever cast it? Or are we intending to only count PMC members, or maybe committers votes? If

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Jeff Jirsa
d - good with either option, but would probably slightly prefer b, as it can be build towards the design doc. On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 8:19 AM sankalp kohli wrote: > Hi, > Community has been discussing about Apache Cassandra Management process > since April and we had lot of discussion abou

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Joseph Lynch
+1 for piecemeal (option b). I think I've explained my opinion on all the various threads and tickets. -Joey On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:48 AM Vinay Chella wrote: > > +1 for option b, considering the advantages mentioned in dev email thread > that Sankalp linked. > > ~Vinay > > > On Wed, Sep 12,

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Vinay Chella
+1 for option b, considering the advantages mentioned in dev email thread that Sankalp linked. ~Vinay On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:36 AM Dinesh Joshi wrote: > +1 for piecemeal (option b) > > Dinesh > > > On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sankalp kohli > wrote: > > > > Hi, > >Community has been d

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Dinesh Joshi
+1 for piecemeal (option b) Dinesh > On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sankalp kohli wrote: > > Hi, >Community has been discussing about Apache Cassandra Management process > since April and we had lot of discussion about which approach to take to > get started. Several contributors have been in

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Sumanth Pasupuleti
Option "b". Thanks, Sumanth On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 9:59 AM Roopa Tangirala wrote: > +1 to b Take the best from existing side cars and make a great side car > which ships with cassandra > > > *Regards,* > > *Roopa Tangirala* > > Engineering Manager CDE > > *(408) 438-3156 - mobile* > > > > > >

Re: [VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread Roopa Tangirala
+1 to b Take the best from existing side cars and make a great side car which ships with cassandra *Regards,* *Roopa Tangirala* Engineering Manager CDE *(408) 438-3156 - mobile* On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 8:19 AM sankalp kohli wrote: > Hi, > Community has been discussing about Apache

[VOTE] Development Approach for Apache Cassandra Management process

2018-09-12 Thread sankalp kohli
Hi, Community has been discussing about Apache Cassandra Management process since April and we had lot of discussion about which approach to take to get started. Several contributors have been interested in doing this and we need to make a decision of which approach to take. The current approa