RE: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-29 Thread Jose Alberto Fernandez
> From: Kev Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On 29 Sep 2005, at 06:39, Brett Porter wrote: > > > I'd also agree with that. We fully intended to make Maven2 plugins > > work as Ant tasks :) > > > > So with a wrapper, > > http://maven.apache.org/maven2/scm/maven-scm-plugin/ > > these goals wou

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-29 Thread Steve Loughran
Kev Jackson wrote: On 29 Sep 2005, at 06:39, Brett Porter wrote: I'd also agree with that. We fully intended to make Maven2 plugins work as Ant tasks :) So with a wrapper, http://maven.apache.org/maven2/scm/maven-scm-plugin/ these goals would become tasks and their parameters would match up w

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-28 Thread Emmanuel Venisse
Trygve Laugstøl a écrit : On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 16:56 +0100, Jose Alberto Fernandez wrote: From: Steve Loughran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jose Alberto Fernandez wrote: But here we seem to be talking about a new family of generic tasks, If this works well, we could deprecate the old tasks a

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-28 Thread Brett Porter
On 9/29/05, Kev Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just a worry about dependencies. If Ant has to rely on other code > from within maven for a set of maven plugins to run, we end up with a > horrible interdependency (Maven needs Ant <-> Ant needs some % of > Maven) just to compile ant. Could ge

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-28 Thread Kev Jackson
On 29 Sep 2005, at 06:39, Brett Porter wrote: I'd also agree with that. We fully intended to make Maven2 plugins work as Ant tasks :) So with a wrapper, http://maven.apache.org/maven2/scm/maven-scm-plugin/ these goals would become tasks and their parameters would match up what's on the individ

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-28 Thread Brett Porter
I'd also agree with that. We fully intended to make Maven2 plugins work as Ant tasks :) So with a wrapper, http://maven.apache.org/maven2/scm/maven-scm-plugin/ these goals would become tasks and their parameters would match up what's on the individual pages. Thoughts? - Brett On 9/29/05, Trygve

RE: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-28 Thread Trygve Laugstøl
On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 16:56 +0100, Jose Alberto Fernandez wrote: > > From: Steve Loughran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Jose Alberto Fernandez wrote: > > > But here we seem to be talking about a new family of generic tasks, > > > If this works well, we could deprecate the old tasks and eventua

RE: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-28 Thread Jose Alberto Fernandez
> From: Steve Loughran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Jose Alberto Fernandez wrote: > > But here we seem to be talking about a new family of generic tasks, > > If this works well, we could deprecate the old tasks and eventually in a > > couple of versions remove them. > > > > Jose Alberto > > gene

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-28 Thread Steve Loughran
Jose Alberto Fernandez wrote: But here we seem to be talking about a new family of generic tasks, If this works well, we could deprecate the old tasks and eventually in a couple of versions remove them. Jose Alberto generic is good, provided -we can have a conceptual model that is consistent

RE: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-28 Thread Jose Alberto Fernandez
r 2005 16:57 > To: Ant Developers List > Subject: Re: suggestion refactor SCM > > Hi, > > The standard problem with any kind of refactoring is the backward > compatibility requirement on source code level. There are a lot of > constructs we'd like to remove, but upto

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-28 Thread Emmanuel Venisse
Great news. So you'll can provide new providers. Emmanuel jerome lacoste a écrit : On 9/27/05, Emmanuel Venisse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jose Alberto Fernandez a écrit : I think that it will be a very good idea, mostly as a stepping stone to higher level functionality. The main reason f

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-28 Thread jerome lacoste
On 9/27/05, Emmanuel Venisse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Jose Alberto Fernandez a écrit : > > I think that it will be a very good idea, mostly as a stepping stone to > > higher level functionality. > > > > The main reason for not having such a thing is the fact that each > > project knows in a

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-27 Thread Martijn Kruithof
Hi, The standard problem with any kind of refactoring is the backward compatibility requirement on source code level. There are a lot of constructs we'd like to remove, but upto now we have always weighted backward compatibility - even on source code level - over removing those. Martijn Kev

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-27 Thread Martijn Kruithof
Hi, The standard problem with any kind of refactoring is the backward compatibility requirement on source code level. There are a lot of constructs we'd like to remove, but upto now we have always weighted backward compatibility - even on source code level - over removing those. Martijn Ke

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-27 Thread JP Fiset
It certainly is an interesting idea. I think the main challenge in this endeavour is to figure out what is the common denominator between all the SCM systems and then assess if it is encompassing enough to warrant abstracting it out. I wish this effort will not be limited to tasks, but will al

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-27 Thread Emmanuel Venisse
Jose Alberto Fernandez a écrit : I think that it will be a very good idea, mostly as a stepping stone to higher level functionality. The main reason for not having such a thing is the fact that each project knows in advance what kind of repository is being in used. So why do we need something

RE: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-27 Thread Phil Weighill Smith
I would suggest having a separate (external) "typedef" (or whatever the appropriate Ant concept would be): ... Referencing this value by ID would allow programmatic and build script level references to be made to such a repository without the need to know the exact de

RE: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-27 Thread Jose Alberto Fernandez
I think that it will be a very good idea, mostly as a stepping stone to higher level functionality. The main reason for not having such a thing is the fact that each project knows in advance what kind of repository is being in used. So why do we need something abstract? On the other hand, once yo

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-27 Thread Jan Dvořák
Hi, it definitely is a good idea, and it's worth doing. SCM has become commonplace, just like databases. I think few people would object to lowering the barrier of moving to another SCM system and/or being more isolated from third-party SCM system changes. Jan Dvorak Kev Jackson wrote (sho

Re: suggestion refactor SCM

2005-09-27 Thread Brett Porter
On 9/27/05, Kev Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > d - none of the above I know you are talking about an interface at the Ant task level, but I should also point out that this was one of the things I was referring to offering up Antlibs for if there was interest. http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.c