Re: MSBuild vs Ant

2003-11-07 Thread Steve Loughran
separators A. -Original Message- From: Steve Loughran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:48 PM To: Ant Developers List Subject: Re: MSBuild vs Ant Alex Kipman wrote: I don't get this. Vbc.exe /reference: System.dll, System.Data.dll Csc.exe /reference: Syste

RE: MSBuild vs Ant

2003-11-07 Thread Alex Kipman
Have you ever tried it with commas :) bet you dinner it works heheh, A. -Original Message- From: Steve Loughran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:48 PM To: Ant Developers List Subject: Re: MSBuild vs Ant Alex Kipman wrote: >>>>I do

Re: MSBuild vs Ant

2003-11-07 Thread Steve Loughran
Alex Kipman wrote: I don't get this. Vbc.exe /reference: System.dll, System.Data.dll Csc.exe /reference: System.dll, System.Windows.Forms.dll How are these different? They both use comma's as their separators and they both use the same switch to reference other assemblies. um, because csc tak

RE: MSBuild vs Ant

2003-11-07 Thread Alex Kipman
Will the output of the .sln be at different log levels so that errors can be distinguished from warn from chitchat, and will that output be streamed? Today when you run msdev against a solution you get a silence and then 'exec failed with error code 1', leaving you a large log file to search th

Re: MSBuild vs Ant

2003-11-06 Thread Steve Loughran
Alex Kipman wrote: We will support building C++ projects. C++ projects are not going to be in MSBuild format in the Whidbey timeframe (though they will be in the Longhorn timeframe), however MSBuild will understand and build both sln files as well as vsproj files directly. We will be doing this

Re: MSBuild vs Ant

2003-11-06 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Alex Kipman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *Stefan* I've read your blog(s) about MSBuild > (http://stefanbodewig.blogger.de/). In as much as you could I think > you were very objective in your comments, Well, I tried my best given the documentation that's been available. I jus

Re: MSBuild vs Ant

2003-11-06 Thread Stefan Bodewig
Welcome in Ant land, Alex. On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Alex Kipman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is not about us vs Ant and we shouldn't let it become that way. I completely agree. Like Conor I'm much more interested to see why you've taken decisions different from ours and explore where you are head

RE: MSBuild vs Ant

2003-11-06 Thread Alex Kipman
I agree that there should not be any need for conflict. We happily coexist with NAnt after all. And as someone who does invoke big .sln builds of C++ DLLs from ant+Cruise control, I can only appreciate the addition of automation to the process. But you arent going to do C++, right? >>> Wrong :).

Re: MSBuild vs Ant

2003-11-06 Thread Steve Loughran
Alex Kipman wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Alex Kipman ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ), and I'm the Program Manager for MSBuild . You may or may not have read my post about this "Us versus Them" attitude portrayed in the "Longhorn" book. Yes, I've seen the book. No I wasn't

RE: MSBuild vs Ant

2003-11-06 Thread Alex Kipman
s provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. -Original Message- From: Conor MacNeill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:12 PM To: Ant Developers List Subject: Re: MSBuild vs Ant On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:25 pm, Alex Kipman wrote: >

Re: MSBuild vs Ant

2003-11-06 Thread Conor MacNeill
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:25 pm, Alex Kipman wrote: > Hello everyone, > > My name is Alex Kipman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and I'm the Program > Manager for MSBuild . Hi Alex and thanks. I certainly welcome you to the list as I'm sure everyone else will. I think most of us are very interested to under

Re: Msbuild

2003-11-05 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being in the depths of a C++ project, with some .NET on the fringes, > I am deeply aware of how badly vs.net needs something like ant/nant, NAnt's CVS version is supposed to be able to parse .sln files, don't knoiw whether that woul

Re: Msbuild

2003-11-04 Thread Steve Loughran
Stefan Bodewig wrote: It's even worse than that. NAnt gets some bad coverage in a Microsoft Press book they've distributed at PDC from what I hear. I have this book in my hands. It does not criticise NAnt. It criticises Ant. I will follow up with the details shortly.

Re: Msbuild

2003-11-04 Thread Steve Loughran
Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I must say it is the first time any project I've worked on has been cloned by microsoft to become a strategic offering of theirs. Yes, a very interesting experience. Well, as David Patterson says, the hard part

Re: Msbuild

2003-11-04 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I must say it is the first time any project I've worked on has been > cloned by microsoft to become a strategic offering of theirs. Yes, a very interesting experience. > I also think they may have a better list/set model than Ant's