Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-17 Thread Nicolas Lalevée
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:42:11 +0100, Stefan Bodewig wrote: > On 2009-12-16, Bruce Atherton wrote: > >> To me, only two of the options are seriously being discussed right now: > >> 1) the current target-group codebase >> 2) moving the behaviour of target-group into all targets through a >>

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-17 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2009-12-17, Bruce Atherton wrote: > You've convinced me. Just because we can't think of a problem doesn't > mean that one doesn't exist, and it is a little late in the day to > start monkeying around if we want to get a new release out the door. > So Stefan, as far as your poll is concerned,

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-17 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2009-12-16, Dominique Devienne wrote: > Sorry to hijack your POLL thread Stefan ;) Thank you for doing so Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-17 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2009-12-16, Bruce Atherton wrote: > To me, only two of the options are seriously being discussed right now: > 1) the current target-group codebase > 2) moving the behaviour of target-group into all targets through a > marker attribute Nobody is more surprised by this then myself. Nico

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2009-12-16, Bruce Atherton wrote: > Sorry if the previous thread was hijacked by naming issues, but I'm > not sure I'm ready to vote in a poll yet. That's why it only is a poll and not a vote 8-) To be honest I was hoping to get away from the naming issue and to a discussion of the feature i

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Bruce Atherton
You've convinced me. Just because we can't think of a problem doesn't mean that one doesn't exist, and it is a little late in the day to start monkeying around if we want to get a new release out the door. So Stefan, as far as your poll is concerned, count me a +1 for the current code base.

Lexicon vs. grammar (was: [POLL] target-groups)

2009-12-16 Thread Jesse Glick
Dominique Devienne wrote: This allows to release sooner (1.7.1 is 18 months old), without rushing what is admittedly a more radical change to Ant's target dependency handling. Agreed. More broadly, I would like to deflate discussions of this kind a bit. How many users are really clamoring for

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Dominique Devienne
2009/12/16 Nicolas Lalevée : > [...] But targets are all "public" Except for the tradition of having non-public targets' names start with a dash. > So it seemed to me quite useless to try to restrict anything. Restrict? More like caution, that's all. Lets not open Pandora's box just yet on targe

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Nicolas Lalevée
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:51:27 -0600, Dominique Devienne wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Bruce Atherton > wrote: >> Can anyone give a concrete example where there would be a problem >> treating a >> target-group as if it were a target? > > Can't. But my thinking is that we should ere on

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Antoine Levy Lambert
Dominique Devienne wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Bruce Atherton wrote: Can anyone give a concrete example where there would be a problem treating a target-group as if it were a target? Can't. But my thinking is that we should ere on the conservative side when we introduce su

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Dominique Devienne
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Bruce Atherton wrote: > Can anyone give a concrete example where there would be a problem treating a > target-group as if it were a target? Can't. But my thinking is that we should ere on the conservative side when we introduce such a feature, and that it's easier

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Nicolas Lalevée
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:53:25 -0800, Bruce Atherton wrote: > Sorry if the previous thread was hijacked by naming issues, but I'm not > sure I'm ready to vote in a poll yet. > > To me, only two of the options are seriously being discussed right now: > > 1) the current target-group codebase >

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Nicolas Lalevée
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:19:55 +0100, Stefan Bodewig wrote: > before we get carried away with naming discussions ... > > Currently I don't feel there is consensus of what we'd like to see with > target-group (if anything at all). The options I see are > > * have some sort of composite of target

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-15 Thread Bruce Atherton
Sorry if the previous thread was hijacked by naming issues, but I'm not sure I'm ready to vote in a poll yet. To me, only two of the options are seriously being discussed right now: 1) the current target-group codebase 2) moving the behaviour of target-group into all targets through a marker

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-14 Thread Dominique Devienne
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Stefan Bodewig wrote: >  * have some special construct that has a depends list similar to >    target.  targets can depend on such a construct and add themselves >    to the depends list (the current code base). +1, modulo the terminology. >  * allow targets to ad

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-14 Thread Antoine Levy Lambert
Hi, I am fine with the current code base. In fact, I never experienced the need for target-group(s), but I can imagine myself using them if they are available. Regards, Antoine Stefan Bodewig wrote: before we get carried away with naming discussions ... Currently I don't feel there is con

[POLL] target-groups

2009-12-14 Thread Stefan Bodewig
before we get carried away with naming discussions ... Currently I don't feel there is consensus of what we'd like to see with target-group (if anything at all). The options I see are * have some sort of composite of targets that other targets can add themselves to * have some special c