Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2009-12-16, Bruce Atherton wrote: > Sorry if the previous thread was hijacked by naming issues, but I'm > not sure I'm ready to vote in a poll yet. That's why it only is a poll and not a vote 8-) To be honest I was hoping to get away from the naming issue and to a discussion of the feature i

Re: Maybe we should open up "depends" for all targets [again]

2009-12-16 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2009-12-16, Nicolas Lalevée wrote: > In EasyAnt there is already this notion of phase. But I see no real > conflict with not supporting target groups in Ant. EasyAnt could just > implement phases as targets, it would be "just" an implementation detail. AFAIU EasyAnt uses a ProjectHelper of th

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Bruce Atherton
You've convinced me. Just because we can't think of a problem doesn't mean that one doesn't exist, and it is a little late in the day to start monkeying around if we want to get a new release out the door. So Stefan, as far as your poll is concerned, count me a +1 for the current code base.

Lexicon vs. grammar (was: [POLL] target-groups)

2009-12-16 Thread Jesse Glick
Dominique Devienne wrote: This allows to release sooner (1.7.1 is 18 months old), without rushing what is admittedly a more radical change to Ant's target dependency handling. Agreed. More broadly, I would like to deflate discussions of this kind a bit. How many users are really clamoring for

Re: [VOTE] Accept Groovy-Front Donation

2009-12-16 Thread Martijn Kruithof
Hi a +1 from me Martijn Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi, Nicolas wants to donate his ProjectHelper implementation that allows build files to be written in Groovy. It can be found attached to https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=48347 It would start life at Ant inside the sandbox.

Re: deep-if/deep-unless

2009-12-16 Thread Dominique Devienne
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Antoine Levy Lambert wrote: > is a sequence of tasks. If the process is highly configurable, there can be > several blocks of tasks which are optionally executed. Maybe a custom executor that blocks some targets would work for you? Depends how these properties tha

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Dominique Devienne
2009/12/16 Nicolas Lalevée : > [...] But targets are all "public" Except for the tradition of having non-public targets' names start with a dash. > So it seemed to me quite useless to try to restrict anything. Restrict? More like caution, that's all. Lets not open Pandora's box just yet on targe

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Nicolas Lalevée
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:51:27 -0600, Dominique Devienne wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Bruce Atherton > wrote: >> Can anyone give a concrete example where there would be a problem >> treating a >> target-group as if it were a target? > > Can't. But my thinking is that we should ere on

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Antoine Levy Lambert
Dominique Devienne wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Bruce Atherton wrote: Can anyone give a concrete example where there would be a problem treating a target-group as if it were a target? Can't. But my thinking is that we should ere on the conservative side when we introduce su

Re: deep-if/deep-unless

2009-12-16 Thread Antoine Levy Lambert
Bruce Atherton wrote: I think that would be very confusing at this point. If most people in the ant community, especially committers, think that this idea breaks the philosophy of ant, then it should not be developed. Maybe this kind of needs will be better addressed using the new groovy front

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Dominique Devienne
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Bruce Atherton wrote: > Can anyone give a concrete example where there would be a problem treating a > target-group as if it were a target? Can't. But my thinking is that we should ere on the conservative side when we introduce such a feature, and that it's easier

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Nicolas Lalevée
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:53:25 -0800, Bruce Atherton wrote: > Sorry if the previous thread was hijacked by naming issues, but I'm not > sure I'm ready to vote in a poll yet. > > To me, only two of the options are seriously being discussed right now: > > 1) the current target-group codebase >

Re: [POLL] target-groups

2009-12-16 Thread Nicolas Lalevée
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:19:55 +0100, Stefan Bodewig wrote: > before we get carried away with naming discussions ... > > Currently I don't feel there is consensus of what we'd like to see with > target-group (if anything at all). The options I see are > > * have some sort of composite of target

Re: Maybe we should open up "depends" for all targets [again]

2009-12-16 Thread Nicolas Lalevée
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:03:45 +0100, Jean-Louis Boudart wrote: > How about: > > > > > /me run and hides! > > 2009/12/12 Nicolas Lalevée > >> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:51:30 -0600, Dominique Devienne >> wrote: >> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Xavier Hanin >> > wrote: >> >> 2009/12/10 Ste