Re: [DISCUSS] Decisions made on devlist

2025-03-27 Thread Jarek Potiuk
To be very concrete: I think my proposal is just to exercise a bit of empathy towards other work and when you are asked "let's discuss it on a devlist" because it's a complex case, with huge impact (and effort needed) and potentially disruptive and where many people will like have opinion, let's ju

Re: [DISCUSS] Decisions made on devlist

2025-03-26 Thread Daniel Standish
BUT LET ME ADD Can anyone sort of try to focus the discussion here a bit? Is there anything specific being proposed? On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 9:58 AM Daniel Standish < daniel.stand...@astronomer.io> wrote: > I think that many times, you only bring things to list after they reach a > certain leve

Re: [DISCUSS] Decisions made on devlist

2025-03-26 Thread Daniel Standish
I think that many times, you only bring things to list after they reach a certain level of maturity. Sometimes on slack etc you are just working out how you feel about something, trying to understand something. I think it is perfectly fine to have such conversations on slack. Perhaps you find th

Re: [DISCUSS] Decisions made on devlist

2025-03-25 Thread Abhishek Bhakat
IMO having the discussion on Github has very helpful for me. That's just the first place we look for. And if been asked on why was "*this particular change*" was made, I can answer it brought up a discussion on the dev list and the community voted on it. In a gist, I don't have a problem with the

Re: [DISCUSS] Decisions made on devlist

2025-03-25 Thread Jarek Potiuk
> So I’m not sure what you are actually proposing, since we already do make important decisions on the list, and that discussing the minutia of every decision isn’t practical. I think it's really a question of the impact it has. In this case changing the layout of the repo (as I tried to explain h

Re: [DISCUSS] Decisions made on devlist

2025-03-25 Thread Ash Berlin-Taylor
> On 23 Mar 2025, at 03:44, Jarek Potiuk wrote: > > The thread here was sparked with a slack discussion where TP > commented essentially "we should change our layout of folder, I do not like > the lack of consistency" - in a random slack conversation, that many of us > could have missed. And I

Re: [DISCUSS] Decisions made on devlist

2025-03-22 Thread Jarek Potiuk
OK. Let me clarify then, 1) First of all - yes - i completely missed cadwyn and API versioning we agreed to in the AIP. We had so many of those AIPs that I simply forgot this tiny-little detail. Totally my fault and sorry for calling that one out. Sorry Ash for that if you felt you've been called

Re: [DISCUSS] Decisions made on devlist

2025-03-22 Thread Vikram Koka
I completely agree regarding transparency, having options expressed in writing, and tracking decisions. I also support the ASF philosophy that voting should only happen on the dev list. However, treating the dev list as the only acceptable mechanism for discussion feels overly burdensome, in my h

Re: [DISCUSS] Decisions made on devlist

2025-03-22 Thread Michał Modras
+1, I fully agree with the mechanism - it is open, transparent, gives everyone an opportunity to participate, and keeps track of how the decisions are made. On Sat, Mar 22, 2025 at 5:34 PM Shahar Epstein wrote: > Overall I agree that decisions should be made in the devlist. > One improvement tha

Re: [DISCUSS] Decisions made on devlist

2025-03-22 Thread Shahar Epstein
Overall I agree that decisions should be made in the devlist. One improvement that I'd like to suggest, though, is to have a dedicated page on cwiki that summarizes all recent and upcoming decisions (votes + lazy consensus) in a table, including links to their respective devlist threads. We could h

[DISCUSS] Decisions made on devlist

2025-03-21 Thread Jarek Potiuk
I also would like to start another thread regarding decision making in our projects. We had some discussions about decision making in our project. As an ASF project we are supposed to make important decisions on the devlist. Full stop. "If it did not happen at the devlist, it did not happen" is so