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[Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all ca
Marking as NEW but this is an enhancement request and likely will take
quite a bit of work (detecting keyboard layouts is currently not part of
the code if I'm not mistaken) - so that being said it could be a long
time before it's implemented. If you are a developer or know a developer
would like t
So the new request is to have buttons in the toolbar which makes it easy
to turn it on/off? That is different from the title of the bug (and what
I thought was being requested). Just trying to clarify what exactly
would make it easier for you and others in your position. Thanks!
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Directionality buttons in Google Docs toolbar
Thank you, Joel, for the attention.
Users of RTL languages expect two directionality buttons in the toolbar
(and elsewhere, where directionality applies).
One of these buttons is 'Left to Right' and the other is 'Right to
Lef
Joel,
I don't even know what CTL encompasses.
My concern is of bi-directionality.
If bi-directionality is contained in a feature package of lots of other
stuff, then that may be wrong.
The main bi-directionality feature is the addition of two,
directionality, buttons to the toolbar, for example
I think after long discussion we decided that enabling it by default
would cause more issues than leaving it off as a bunch of additional
things are enabled when it is turned on that would confuse people who
don't use RTL. I will try to verify this.
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Title:
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This is an issue in Linux, still.
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Title:
[Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL
users
Status i
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This bug has been in NEEDINFO status with no change for at least 6
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I'm a Linux user and and RTL user (Hebrew) and I can attest that almost
every user who will even want RTL turned on will always have an RTL
keyboard layout present. That is, if we can count on distros to help him
configure it.
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This is (hopefully) now implemented for windows, i.e. any CTL keyboards
installed then CTL is enabled, similarly for CJK. So remaining I guess
is something similar for Linux/Mac.
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As far as I remember, RTL is enabled by default on Microsoft Office
(except MS Office for Mac, there is no bloody RTL support).
For MS Office switchers, it would be great to have RTL on by default
(and of course for native LO users as well).
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This is an interesting idea and it will solve the issue partially.
Enabling RTL by default would solve it completely.
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Sorry for re-commenting :)
There is an easy solution: don't enable Text direction (RTL|LTR) buttons
on the toolbar if CTL support isn't enabled, when users don't find those
buttons, they will try to add them to the toolbar, and when they
activate them, we simple ask the user if he want to active C
There is an easy solution: don't enable Text direction (RTL|LTR) buttons
on the toolbar if CTL support isn't enabled, when user don't find this
buttons they will try to add them to the toolbar, and then when they actvite
them we simple ask the user if he want to active CTL support in order to add
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Title:
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Here are some more ideas:
1. Dialog window on first run that asks whether you want RTL or not
2. Detect whether user is accustomed to RTL using webcam and eyeball processing
logic (only joking)
3. Turn on RTL according to user's geographic location (simply a bad idea)
4. Determine whether user us
Okay, maybe we should/can do a check on keyboard layouts. Feel free to
post again with other suggestions. I know that turning it on for
everyone isn't likely so we're looking for creative options.
Sorry about asking about Arabic, I should have defaulted to "Languages
requiring CTL" ;)
Thanks for
Thanks, Joel,
My example was Arabic but I'm a Hebrew user and not an Arabic user.
So I know about Hebrew that at least here in Ubuntu I don't need to make
any special settings besides adding the Hebrew layout. So I guess that
it doesn't require ibus but I'm just guessing.
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No need to apologize! We're trying to keep our minds open to ideas. So,
I'm going to work on a summary of proposals with pros and cons and bring
this up again during conference call as it's clearly a popular issue
that we're trying to think of creative solutions.
Can I ask a stupid American questi
I don't mean to add noise and turn this into a noisy bug.
I just want to point out an obvious question about the FDO#54493
solution.
What about Linux users? Hey- I'm a Linux user and I'm the one who
reported this bug :)
But, really, even if the same principal can be implemented on all platforms,
I am marking this as NEEDINFO for my own benefit. We are working on a
solution, one of which was proposed by Caolán. It's on my list still and
not being ignored. I'm hoping someone will take FDO#54493 so we can see
if that's enough to satisfy most users.
NEEDINFO is asking for info from our team,
There are no performance reasons for turning CTL or CJK on/off as far as
I can recall. "Just" the explosion of bewildering extra features for
users of plain-old-latin scripts.
Perhaps the least contentious solution is to additionally enable the CTL
(or CJK) features on windows if a window keyboard
I agree with the quote above
any one who cares that much about performance mostly he is expert so he can
disable the CTL
but for normal and new users mostly they don't know how to enable CTL
i think making LibreOffice more friendly more important then high
performance.
thank you
Abdulmajee
Hi, here's a quote from the latest comment downstream Ubuntu bug report:
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Hi,
RTL language user here (Hebrew), I signed up just to tell you that I got
to this page after a nerve breaking search thru the menus looking for
the RTL option exactly as Shahar described.
I was even more fr
Hi,
RTL language user here (Hebrew), I signed up just to tell you that I got
to this page after a nerve breaking search thru the menus looking for
the RTL option exactly as Shahar described.
I was even more frustrated when I found out that the button is present
on my sister's Windows machine runn
Here are the mailing list discussions:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2012-June/033552.html
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2012-July/034427.html
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2012-July/034958.html
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Title:
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I think enabling the CTL by default would dramatically increase
LibreOffice usage, because many first time users get frustrated and
don't use LibreOffice again rather than taking the time to figure out
how and where to enable CTL (and RTL).
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Just an update on this.
As of now there is no consensus (or even close to a consensus) on what
to do about this issue. There is an ongoing discussion but as of
nowthis is on hold until further notice. There are quite a few
options that we're considering, each with good things and bad things
as
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I jumped too fast for this one. There is an ongoing discussion about
if/when and how to possibly do this. Moving back to NEW & assigning it
to myself for the time being. I'll post when a final decision and/or fix
has been made.
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I would just like to reiterate that RTL users should always get their
RTL support enabled. This is what they're used to from other
productivity suites. If they don't have their RTL support then most
people would consider it a major pain to go and figure out what the
problem is.
My cents: enable by
Unfortunately I think for performance reasons making this active by
default won't be on our list. This may change as I've sent an email to
the dev list but for now I'm marking it as WONTFIX, so if I don't get
back to it in the next week or so we can assume it'll stay as WONTFIX
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Title:
[Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all ca
Shahar Or, this is:
- a clearcut upstream issue.
- well documented in how to enable CTL, in both the LibreOffice built in help,
and the LibreOffice wiki
http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Languages_Using_Complex_Text_Layout .
Resolving as Won't Fix in libreoffice (Ubuntu) and LibreOffice Packagin
Dear Haggai, Friends,
You actually mean that RTL (CTL) would be enabled if a relevant (RTL)
keyboard layout is present and not an input method.
But I think that we digress. If there's no good explanation as to why
RTL support should be disabled by default than it might as well be
enabled by defau
Hi Yaron,
Thanks for bringing this up here.
Actually, my thought was to enable CTL at LibreOffice's startup, if a
relevant input method is set up, or even enable it while a user is using
LibreOffice, if the user changes their keyboard layout settings.
Changing it during installation can be proble
Dear Friends,
The best solution would be to just enable RTL controls by default.
Thanks and Blessings,
Shahar
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Hey guys!
I discussed this issue with Haggai Eran and he had some improvements to offer:
IMHO maybe the solution should come from LibreOffice's side.
Meaning that during the installation the installer will check for
installed locales or input methods (or both) and will enable it by
default.
This
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+ [Upstream] RTL (CTL) is expected to be enabled in all cases by RTL users
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I agree like hell. CTL support is ESSENTIAL for users of RTL languages
like Hebrew, Arabic, and many users don't know how to activate it. This
is a real problem I have seen many people have.
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** Description changed:
- Currently, when a non-RTL locale is used, then the default settings are
- with RTL controls turned off.
+ This is concerning the usability issue where an RTL user gets in front
+ of LibreOffice and doesn't find the two directionality buttons in the
+ toolbar (OMG!!!). He
Public bug reported:
Currently, when a non-RTL locale is used, then the default settings are
with RTL controls turned off.
I think that the feature is called CTL (complex text layout) but I'm not
sure so I'm going to call it RTL until I get it sorted in my mind.
The problem is that many RTL user
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