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the fix looks like it'll reintroduce some form of #9529? or was the use
of level4n instead of level4nl intentional?
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Can
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search bar when using fr
ok, Daniel and Julien put last two nails into that coffin. I removed
right control as level5 modifier in git. Thank you everybody. Really
sorry there is no perfect solution here...
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FWIW after user complaints I've reverted this change in Debian's
xkeyboard-config, to have right control behave normally again.
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At the risk of just making things worse ...
My €0.02 is that we should stick with level 5 right Control as being
optional. This is a marginal (in terms of percentage of userbase that
will ever see/use it) layout that people have to go out of their way to
use, but still taking away a modifier is a
I too believe that Andreas' proposal is the right one. It permits people
who really want the extra 5th level to be able to easily get it, while
not breaking the 99% usual usage.
Just for the record, I had not seen the linuxfr discussion. I guess
mostly only people who would want the extra 5th leve
Swâmi,
We've all laid out these arguments many times over. Yes, this issue is
frustrating (and I regret having vented some of my own frustration in my
first comments) but let's keep it civil.
There are proposed solutions. I, for one, think Andreas' proposal is the
best way out of the current dead
BTW, about the punctuation signs that, in French, requires a nbsp before
them, i.e. " ; : ! ? " (for perfect typographic correctness, while
usually few people know about this and nobody really cares...) :
Usual word processing programs, such as OpenOffice / LibreOffice, when
configured to the fren
About a "short nbsp" in french, let's make it perfectly clear that there
must be about a hundred professionnal typographists in the whole country
who care about it - most of them not using Linux BTW - and the rest of
the ~40 million computer users here don't give a shit about a "short
nbsp" and don
Created attachment 98826
Make Level 5 choosers more easily available
The patch makes existing options for Level 5 choosers more easily
available by adding them to the rules. This is useful in its own right,
irrespective of this bug. In context of this ongoing discussion, it
would allow to change
I'm at a loss as to what to do to help find a solution for everyone.
fr-oss is a great layout with many useful improvements over fr-latin9,
but the missing ControlR is a deal breaker. I'm personally back to using
the default "fr" layout and I'll advise users to do the same if they
want their Contr
(In reply to comment #76)
> Compose is not appropriate for basic symbols you need to write pretty much
> any correct sentence in the target language. And adding a specific input
> method for one symbol just because some people can't live with the modifier
> ISO chose for level 5 is disproportionnat
(In reply to comment #75)
> Nicolas,
>
> Where does the need to *have* a key for nbsp come from?
Because unlike in English most French punctuation symbols require a
space (sometimes a short space) before. And if it's not a non-breakable
space apps will perform line breaks at the wrong position a
Nicolas,
Where does the need to *have* a key for nbsp come from? Isn't a compose
combo more appropriate and less error-prone?
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(In reply to comment #71)
> And even if we wanted to please those apps, we mayb be able to without
> adding a new modifier (Level5) and a key for it -- again, see (comment #46).
I'm pretty sure some of the other spacebar configurations available as
xkb options do not require level5. They are not
(In reply to comment #72)
> The old layout was never removed and kept its historical name (fr latin9)
No, we are speaking here of fr/oss, but before it got right Ctrl as
level5 modifier (what this bug end up changing).
I bet everyone complaining here was very happy with fr/oss before this
Level5
(In reply to comment #70)
> If no agreement can be reached, would it be possible to have the old layout
> accessible, even under another name?
The old layout was never removed and kept its historical name (fr
latin9)
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> > Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in
> > France? Like slashdot.org or smth...
>
> There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the
> final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site.
>
>
(In reply to comment #69)
> (In reply to comment #66)
>
> > Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in
> > France? Like slashdot.org or smth...
>
> There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the
> final ajustments of this layout were done after
(In reply to comment #66)
> Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in
> France? Like slashdot.org or smth...
There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the
final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site.
I realise ther
Nicolas, I understand the logic in your position about Level 5. But I
see a number of unhappy people. Could we find some other level5 chooser?
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Okay, your "vote" is currently happening on
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881
with 4 new entries today (from different people), 100% of them saying :
« PLEASE GIVE US OUR RIGHT [CTRL] KEY BEHAVING AS A [CTRL] KEY BACK !!!
»
To summarize further, AFAIK, there is ONE person in the world hap
2014-04-26 16:50 GMT-04:00 Sergey V. Udaltsov :
> Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in
> France? Like slashdot.org or smth...
>
I think you are looking for http://linuxfr.org/
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There is also ubuntu-fr.org
Le 27 avr. 2014 00:01, "Yvon TANGUY" a écrit :
> At my knowledge it is http://linuxfr.org/ the most famous and oldest site
> of that kind.
> There is also others web sites, but they are more general, they have
> general computer related news (http://www.nextinpact.com/
At my knowledge it is http://linuxfr.org/ the most famous and oldest site of
that kind.
There is also others web sites, but they are more general, they have general
computer related news (http://www.nextinpact.com/ http://www.clubic.com/
http://www.numerama.com/).
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At my knowledge it is http://linuxfr.org/ the most famous and oldest site of
that kind.
There is also others web sites, but they are more general, they have general
computer related news (http://www.nextinpact.com/ http://www.clubic.com/
http://www.numerama.com/).
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> Since apparently no hardware maker is following ISO standards, may I suggest
> creating new layouts such as "oss-iso" with Nicolas' changes?
Nicolas, what do you think?
Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in
France? Like slashdot.org or smth...
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Great ! Now the FR right [Ctrl] is B.R.O.K.E.N on Ubuntu 14.04 as well.
Given the number of french Ubuntu users (+ upcoming derivatives) I think
you'll have your "vote" and "survey" very soon, just by taking a look at
lauchpad bug entries and new comments on
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881
Hah... actually I'm the one that reported that bug 6 years ago! I didn't even
remember...
I think it's time to close this bug once and for all. So please, vote ;)
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I'm French and I think left and right control keys should behave the
same as in every other normal french layouts.
Here is a survey for those in here that want to give their opinion:
http://doodle.com/i3f5vpiaqk37ebms
I agree with Remi, I understand we want to follow the ISO standard, but
if the
(In reply to comment #60)
> Gentlemen, I am really stuck at that point.
Allow me to sum it up.
- Nicolas is the sole advocate of having Control_R mapped to Level5.
- The rest of us want to go back to having both left and right Control
behaving the same way.
I'm not quite sure how you want us
I feel extremely uneasy because I am a user of free software and I am
full of respect and gratitude for the people who make this possible,
including of course Nicolas Mailhot. I am an amateur and I am conscious
that I rely entirely on the work of devoted paid and unpaid
professionals.
But in this
Sergey, you might want to check Ubuntu bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881
, which is a "downstream reflection" of this one.
There are some other "loud voices" there that you might consider as
taking part to the "vote" that you want.
I had in my office 2 pe
BTW Sergey, I'm a bit surprised that you want a "vote" to fix something
that people complain about, when you didn't need any vote to break it in
the first place...
Would you need a vote, I suggest that you put a survey system online by
yourself on any web page that you'd like (so you know the vote
All answers ask to perform the change. How is that not an agreement? I was
hoping to get it in this release of Ubuntu. Alas.
2014-04-18 1:06 GMT+02:00 Sergey V. Udaltsov :
> Gentlemen, I am really stuck at that point. I am refusing to make any
> changes before there is either some kind of agreem
Gentlemen, I am really stuck at that point. I am refusing to make any changes
before there is either some kind of agreement - or there are some minimally
conclusive voting results.
I do not take any sides (I cannot have any personal opinion, not using French).
I am just freezing the situation.
Even though I've been an IT professional for the past 3O years, I went
to a large computer store in France over lunch time, to find out if such
thing as a [CtrlGr] key could possibly exist on a french keyboard.
Let me tell you : I couldn't find any.
OTOH, I was surprised to notice that some table
I never heard of or used the level5 either, but to solve the issue could
we maybe put it in another layout? For example something like "oss-
level5"?
I personally have to patch the file on every package update and even if
I'm used to that and have the patch ready now, it gets annoying. On my
lapto
Repeating :
1/ Standard French keyboard has NO [CtrlGr] key. It does have 2 normal
[Ctrl] keys bearing the exact same label. The right [Ctrl] key actually
is a right [Ctrl] key and no other modifier or whatever.
2/ There are quite a *lot* of common, daily used by professional IT
staff, keyboard s
(In reply to comment #54)
> So, finally, is everybody happy with me removing that line:
>
> include "level5(rctrl_switch)"
No, just didn't see the point of restating what has already been written
before
A level 5 map needs a level 5 switch, iso defined right ctrl as default
level 5 switch so the
I had yet another good reason to revert to a "normal right [CTRL] key"
on a Fedora this morning:
I was working in a terminal with several open terminal tabs. Switching
between tabs is made using [Ctrl]-[PageUp] and [Ctrl]-[PageDown] - same
goes with other Gnome tabbed apps, as well as Firefox and
So, finally, is everybody happy with me removing that line:
include "level5(rctrl_switch)"
? If no objections within next week - I will just drop it.
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Le 13 mars 2014 04:56, "Swâmi Petaramesh" <221...@bugs.launchpad.net> a
écrit :
> I finally found out that this breakage comes from
> this commit :
>
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-
> config/commit/symbols/fr?id=518c769df2e9ce70cb721769a08b81504f243b2a
>
> ( http://goo.gl/SWU8Is )
I remem
Could someone create poll on some french(belgian) web site, linux-
oriented. Which behavior would be preferable?
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Title:
Can't u
(In reply to comment #50)
> Could someone create poll on some french(belgian) web site, linux-oriented.
> Which behavior would be preferable?
A poll would be pointless as its representativeness would be very hard to
determine.
Most users don't care "as long as it works" and may not even know ther
More arguments in favor of reverting to an normal behaviour of Ctrl-R:
-- Most computers in most operating systems, languages (including French until
recently), desktops... have two identical Ctrl keys. It is queer to have French
keyboards doing otherwise since a few years.
-- Like having two Shi
(In reply to comment #50)
> Could someone create poll on some french(belgian) web site, linux-oriented.
> Which behavior would be preferable?
Is this even necessary? I mean, the change wasn't made in the first
place because an user wasn't happy with the state, but because some apps
couldn't handl
That was just an idea. As usual, when there are controversies... Trying
to be democratic:)
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search
I spent a couple days extremely disappointed to have a broken right
[CTRL] key on a french keyboard on recent Arch installs, thus being
unable to use VirtualBox properly, and googling around (and let me tell
you that my googling showed me a *lot* of french people are really upset
with this as well)
For some reason, I found myself using the 'fr oss' layout in Gnome 3.10.
And I must say that finding out that this layout was picked as the
default left me speechless: two keys on my keyboard no longer behave
according to what's *on* the actual key:
- the right control key, which just says "Ctrl"
(In reply to comment #45)
> (In reply to comment #44)
> > Until a solution is to be found, could 518c769d be reverted for now?
> > Breaking the very standard behavior of right control
>
> It does not break the very standard behavior of right control any more than
> altrgr breaks the very standard
Hello,
Until a solution is to be found, could 518c769d be reverted for now?
Breaking the very standard behavior of right control in all applications
(e.g. xterminals!!) is really not acceptable, compared to the few issues
that the behavior has without it.
Samuel
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> Hello,
>
> Until a solution is to be found, could 518c769d be reverted for now?
> Breaking the very standard behavior of right control
It does not break the very standard behavior of right control any more
than altrgr breaks the very standard behavior of right alt
It'
Any update on this? Emacs using the french keyboard is still broken
under Saucy (see comment #156).
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Title:
Can't use spa
> with too many types]. I do not have rythmbox, so I cannot test.
Can anybody with rhythmbox try that?
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Title:
Can't use
This reminds me of bug #45008. Just here, LOCAL_EIGHT_LEVEL does not
preserve Control. Adding preserve[Control]= Control into
LOCAL_EIGHT_LEVEL might fix the issue, an as it is not used elsewhere,
it actually might be acceptable [but it also means that
LOCAL_EIGHT_LEVEL in really a waste, given t
(In reply to comment #39)
> So, lads, with configurable nbsp - is there any solution that would make you
> all reasonably happy?
Is there a way to make the spacebar more neutral *except* for the
combinations that trigger something else than space? The main complain
seems to be that some apps want
I am honestly not sure how to translate that requirement into XKB
terms...
I agree - intercepting those combinations is really odd. So I always
have possibility to close this as WONTFIX. But if we manage to invent
something - that would be better..
> can xkb work ass passthrough
It took me a whil
So, lads, with configurable nbsp - is there any solution that would make
you all reasonably happy?
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Title:
Can't use spac
I can confirm that the proposed fix in #155 (replace level4nl by
level4n) is enough to fix ctrl-space in emacs(where it is a very
frequently used key combination).
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After discussions about the bug #1013881, it seems that the right way to solve
this bug is to change the line 128 of symbol/fr
include "nbsp(level4nl)"
by
include "nbsp(level4n)"
For an unknown reason, the line «include "nbsp(level4nl)"» produces the
bug of Rhythmbox.
This way, we can ge
2012/6/26 Bryce Harrington <221...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> You guys will need to work with upstream to find a better way of fixing
> it that doesn't cause regressions for anyone.
>
Actually, on Fedora the shortcut for playing is Ctrl+Space and it works
just right.
It's simple, obvious and ok for ev
The fix has been reverted out, due to a bug report (bug #1013881) filed
about it during testing in -proposed.
You guys will need to work with upstream to find a better way of fixing
it that doesn't cause regressions for anyone.
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** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu Precise)
Status: Fix Committed => Triaged
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search b
(but now the nbsp behaviour is configurable so you should be able to
override the default on your system if you wish)
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Ca
(In reply to comment #36)
> And what if instead of level 4, we put non-breaking space to level 3. I find
> it
> is more convenient (and I think I am not alone).
> So, instead of:
> include "nbsp(level4nl)"
> we put non-breaking space to level 3:
> include "nbsp(level3n)"
> This gives us ba
And what if instead of level 4, we put non-breaking space to level 3. I
find it is more convenient (and I think I am not alone).
So, instead of:
include "nbsp(level4nl)"
we put non-breaking space to level 3:
include "nbsp(level3n)"
This gives us back the Right-Ctrl. It does not break Rhyt
And what if instead of
include "nbsp(level4nl)"
we put non-breaking space to level 3. I find it more convenient (
include "nbsp(level4n)"
include "level5(rctrl_switch)"
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(In reply to comment #33)
> The solution posted in comment #27 disables the standard behaviour of the
> Right-Ctrl key. It is annoying for most users! (I first thought that my
> keyboard was broken).
>
> See the bug 1013881 in Ubuntu
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bu
The solution posted in comment #27 disables the standard behaviour of
the Right-Ctrl key. It is annoying for most users! (I first thought that
my keyboard was broken).
See the bug 1013881 in Ubuntu
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881
My opinion is that the righ
Ok, committed that one. Please check.
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative
keyboard
Status
Ping! ;-)
Sergey, can you commit any solution? Better get a fix than wait for ages
to be sure it's the best choice.
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Title:
Can
I can confirm that the update fixes the issue
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Can
Thanks for the fix!
I'm sorry I can't test this package, I'm no longer on Ubuntu.
I'm sure someone else can test it though considering the number of users
registered to this bug and to its duplicates.
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** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/precise-proposed/xkeyboard-config
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search bar when using french altern
Hello Creak, or anyone else affected,
Accepted xkeyboard-config into precise-proposed. The package will build
now and be available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here.
See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how
to enable and use -proposed. Thank you in
** Tags added: regression-release
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative
keyboard
Status in
** Also affects: rhythmbox (Ubuntu Precise)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Also affects: quodlibet (Ubuntu Precise)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Also affects: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu Precise)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** No longer affects: rhy
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/xkeyboard-config
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Title:
Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative
keyboard
** Description changed:
- Binary package hint: rhythmbox
+ [Impact]
+ In the fr(oss) keymap, both space and Ctrl + space return the same
XLookupString, which prevents space from being used in some applications.
- I tried to search for "The Do" in the search bar, but the space bar
- didn't writ
I'm affected by this bug on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (amd64) with French → French
Keyboard.
When I enter a search, if I press the spacebar, the letter doesn"t appear but
the play/pause button is actionned.
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This bug has been bothering me again.
Instead of
include "nbsp(level4nl)"
I used:
include "nbsp(level4n)"
include "level5(rctrl_switch)"
With these parameters, Rhythmbox search is working correctly and we do
have the thin nbsp on the sixth level (RCtrl+Shift+Space) as needed by
Nicola
Could you make a choice at last? This bug is very annoying, and since
the solution is here, please decide fast about it. Thanks! ;-)
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Lads, for me that makes no difference. Just please settle that between
you
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Can't use space bar in search bar when using
I am ok with solution by zebob. Any objections? Nicolas?
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