I have been silently watching the debate/debacle, and I would like to
suggest the name for Lucid Lynx be changed to Livid Lynx, because the
vast majority of people are livid about it. ;)
As a computer user for over 32 years, changing the button order and
location for unspecified reasons is an unwi
Now the sheer irony... post #404 and talking about spy software not
found in Ubuntu.
404indeed.
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@Mark,
I like the idea in post #414. You need real world data, not just from us
geeks, but Joe Sixpack End-User.
That being said
" - where does the average mouse rest?"
Upper-righthand corner
"i.e., when it's not being used, where is the mouse, usually?"
Same place as above...in the upper
@pako #438
So then run Enlightenment or XFCE.
Ideally, everything (*nix, Gnome, KDE, XFCE, Konversation, etc) should
have a developmental branch and a production branch; with nothing in the
Dev version being put into the Prod version until fully tested.
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Yeah, Gnome uses a lot less than KDE, but XFCE uses even less than
GNome, but of course true geeks ask "GUI? What's that? We're in CLUI
since the 70's man. No mouse needed. What's the fuss?"
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@Jefspa Leta: AMEN!!!
Not defining what you want will not get you what you want; and that is
what Mar kis doing. It's like going to a party and asking people "Hey...
you remember that one time that one guy did that one thing you know
where with you know who?"
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@Everyone.
April 29th, the release date is the scheduled release date of the 3rd
LTS release...at this point, rather than copy Microsoft and release
Canonical's version of Vista because of this "Button-Gate"; maybe it's
also time to:
1) Resolve it the way the majority of people want it or...
@scholli
"What a nonsense"
Such is your opinion. I have stated mine and you disagree. cool. So be
it.
"In what relations you can put together the Vista-fail with the
buttons?"
Vista was going to be this be-all-end-all-wonderful thing with the GREAT
idea of the UAC.. just like how there is a GRE
Sprang, I agree.
Every year there is a list that comes out of the most popular distros,
and for quite a few, Ubuntu held that, but I really do believe that if
this move goes through, Ubuntu will become as current and relevant in
today's world as NeXtstep, BeOS, Amiga and OS/2 are.
It's bad enough
Thank you Jeff. You've said a lot of what is on my mind, as well as the
mind of others, and you also included the issues that IT/Support people
are going to face with this button order/move issue.
I think at this point, I could list many things, but so many people have
listed them so many times, i
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Same here but under KDE 4.9.00 on Kubuntu 12.04LTS 64-bit OS.
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@Bob, fyi, and not to derail this bug, but you'll find that Fedora is a
lot more bleeding edge than say Ubuntu or one of its' derivatives (like
Linux Mint) are.
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I just downloaded and tried the latest Lucid:
1) I don't like the menu button order. Too confusing.
2) I don't like the button location on the left. Too confusing.
In both cases, my mouse hangs to the right by default.
3) I like how clear the default theme is, but the purple background,
button o
@scholli Sorry. I must not be a "key person" aka Developer God, so my
opinion doesn't count I guess. I tried Lucid at an early stage, waited,
then downloaded the latest one like I said. I only use Linux every day,
install it on people's machines for my friends and business customers,
support and pr
Secret Future Ubuntu User Interface Plans Revealed!
http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/44121
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Mark, clearly there MUST be enough data here by now, on the Internet in
general, etc, to make a sound decision and back it up with clear and
concise data. Right now this is taking a play right out of ex-president
Bush's playbook... "Stay the course". If we see a "Mission Accomplished"
sigh unveiled
@scholli Perhaps you have hit on it right there. Make every theme work
either with the wacked out max,min,close now on the left OR the proper
min,max,close on the right like 95% of the World's computer users are
used to.
I know about the "Dust" theme, but I don't care fo it and I don't want
to be
Addendum: By default, everything should be on the right and in the
normal order. As for the ambiguous never-clarified-changes Mark has
mentioned for 10.010, those should move with the theme selected as well.
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What do you think would happen if Microsoft said "We're doing away with
the Start Menu and Taskbar we've had since 1995. we're going to
implement the Ribbon interface instead."
I can guarantee that the corporate users would not deal with that change
at all. Companies would balk about the learning
@scholli
"Wrong Pyramid. Microsoft will include a new feature, because it's
really better and if they are unsure the will insert a option for redo
this change to old habits."
We shall see if Office 2010 has the ribbon UI, the old UI, or the ribbon
U with an option to revert, which Office 2007 doe
@piko
No mistreatment meant.
Demands? No. Not at all. You are free to code as you wish, but any
company or entity that ignores the majority of it's customer base, is
doomed to fail. I think the majority of users (based on my own data
gathering from view blog posts, websites, etc) is in favor of t
@Jefspa
Is anyone a "customer" in the literal sense of money exchanging hands?
No, not to my knowledge. I guess I could have said "user", "customer"
"end-user", or "if A creates B and C uses it" ..it's all really
the same thing in the end. Rather than argue semantics, let's focus on
the po
Pako Yes, I will hack my work PC that I don't own and I'm sure that
won't break corporate policy. Riiight.
No. The reason I don't want the menu button order and location changed
is because for the past 32 years (longer than many on here have been
alive I'm sure), I've used it the current w
"And here you breaking the policy of Ubuntu"
Pot - kettle - black.
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Debian here I come.
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@scholli, since you're a gambling person, I need to open a casino. Odds
are 100% in the house's favor (me) on not going back to Ubuntu.
You've never seen an rm -rf /* done so fast in your life.
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Yo
@scholli
YEAH!! YOU WIN!!! *** YOU *** get a cookie...and tons of people leaving.
I've said my opinion. Others have said theirs, now time will indeed
tell. What will you say when the mass exodus AWAY from Ubuntu happens?
Ohh yes, you and Piko will say how wrong everyone else is.. and
you'll wo
http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/
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@running...
Stop with the F.U.D.
"trade secrets" in Open Source? If that's the case, boy does Debian have
a bone to pick.
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Taken from another website, this post below illustrates many of things
I've said; so while the words below are not mine, their sentiment most
certainly is...along with many, many, many other people's sentiment as
well.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-windo...
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com
@Michael... #609
That illustrates my point clearly on why this whole left-right thing
should be theme-driven. Thanks :D
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@bernhard, not as a primary OS. I run it on a test box. My main OS is
still 8.04.4LTS and my laptop runs 9.04. (I still think 8.04 is really
the best one to date. It all went downhill from there.)
If it has been implemented, then why post #609? If this is possible,
then both he and I (and many oth
Thank you.
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@Jeff Burns,
I'm in the same boat as you and second everything you said so far. Well
said, and I totally agree 1%.
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Pako, because creating a Linux distro doesn't make me money; but
supporting Linux does. Were you just bored that you decided to try and
stir up some sh*t or what?
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@Pako, Transference won't work. I'm not angry at all. Frustrated over
the stupid moves made by the UI team/Mark/Canonical, yes... but angry?
no.
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Post #647 validates a point I made long ago...that we are going to have
to hack workarounds. First, gconf, now this to make sure that you don''t
close out of the window instead of hitting the File menu. (Maybe
Canonical should move that to the right side and really confuse people
;) /snark)
"Gnome
Pako,
People are not precise. They are however, creatures of habit.
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"there are few users including me that already found advantages in left
side buttons."
Key word here is "few".
There are FEW Mac users compared to Windows users.
There are FEW Linux users compared to Windows users.
there are FEW people willing to adapt to such a change as the button order and
lo
For anyone that hasn't left already (such as myself); if Ubuntu turns
into spware-adware-twitter-ware central in order to support it; that
will truly p*ss people off and make them leave Ubuntu. At least with
Windows there isn't some ad popping up in every titlebar window. No,
it's not yet there in
@scholli
"It's rising ... after publishing Lucid, it still will growing. No
Titanic here! Why? Because Ubuntu is cleaning up the ***old*** dust and
is the only one with a shiny, modern look. This is what peoples are
***looking for**'
Yes,iPad sales were up initially too. All this demonstrates if
Yet another voice against this move
http://www.zdnet.com.au/new-ubuntu-look-too-destructive-339302224.htm
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@jon..Mint may not be bad, but it's still part of the Ubuntu-strain.
better off going with the original Ubuntu steals all of it's code
fromDebian.
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>From Planet Ubuntu in a blog post about Canonical reversing it's
decision to have Yahoo! as the default search vs. Google...which now
Google will once again be the standard in 10.04LTS..
"No, unfortunately, not that (link gone, but pointed to this bug report)
decision. The decision to use Yah
@Bob Pendleton - I've been at this since 1978, so I can relate with
everything you've said, as I've had similar experiences.
I think Mark and company have enough data on what most users would like,
for it to be min,max,close on the right-hand side, and clearly this is
the majority of end-users. (E
"Interesting, how often UI changes although already frozen..."
- Martin Wildham
Interesting indeed.
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If the pilot ejects themselves, that's not a bug,it's a feature.
There is unused space next to the switch for which you will be informed
sometime in the future of a maybe-feature that might happen. Nevermind
planes are crashing everywhere and we had to rebuild it on the day of
releasetrivia
Yes.. you CAN gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
--type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close" to fix the issue, however,
what about all of the themes (not the native ones in Ubuntu 10.04LTS)
and various 3rd party applications? Is Mark/Canonical sure that the
current button organ
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