Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-08-17 Thread Paul Beardsell
Closing this, marking it "invalid", is inappropriate. "100 paper cuts" doesn't mean 100 trivial bugs which are easy to fix, it means 100 small annoyances that piss off users, particularly newbie ones who don't know the workarounds. Please UNDO this change of status. Paul Beardsell p...@beardsell

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-06-15 Thread Paul Beardsell
The only available workaround: Disable compiz. Compiz is but eye-candy, you and your users will prefer Ubuntu with unbroken multiple workspaces. And candy isn't good for you :-) Some would say that complaining about this bug means: * you misunderstand the Ubuntu bug reporting politics * you are

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-24 Thread Paul Beardsell
I had not realised I was criticising you so very personally as to provoke that outburst. Perhaps it is you who misunderstand. The current workaround for this bug is to disable compiz. But, one has to ask, and this is my point: Why should compiz even have the opportunity of breaking workspaces?

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-24 Thread Oded Arbel
On Sun, 2010-05-23 at 17:17 +, Paul Beardsell wrote: > If I wanted > an app's display to open on a particular workspace on a monitor I could do > so by specifying '-display :0.3' or to choose a particular monitor I > could use '-display :3'. We miss a trick or two now. And whereas >

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-23 Thread PaulReiber
Followup: the link I posted before is to a great documentation site; the Devils Pie website itself is: http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie Aside: Please, let's try to keep messages to 150...@bugs.launchpad.net relevant to Bug 150690. (I know, I'm as guilty as the next guy...) Kind

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-23 Thread PaulReiber
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Paul Beardsell wrote: > I'm not sure I would change hardly a word of my posting.  [...] Me either; deficiencies are deficiencies, and X has some. Paul, check out this tool: http://foosel.org/linux/devilspie I think you'll be a happy camper unless you're allerg

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-23 Thread Paul Beardsell
I'm not sure I would change hardly a word of my posting. It seems to me the multi-monitor Unix systems I was lucky enough to work on sometimes in the 1990's could have been implemented just as poorly as the multi-workspace idea we have in Gnome and similar on Linux. But they were not. If I wante

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-23 Thread Paul Beardsell
In my opinion the whole workspace thing is a hack implemented against the way X is supposed to work. Each workspace is not traditionally addressable. E.g. I cannot choose which workspace/pane my windowed application opens in - it's always the current one. E.g both xterm -display :0 & xterm -dis

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-23 Thread PaulReiber
Go, Ryan, Go! Wahoo! Kind regards, -Paul Reiber Phone: (210)854-8253 Email: p...@reiber.org Web: http://bit.ly/reiber On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: > Paul -  I had a similar prognosis.  My initial plan is to develop a > universal workspace switcher - one that will query (

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-22 Thread Ryan Beard
Paul - I had a similar prognosis. My initial plan is to develop a universal workspace switcher - one that will query (and monitor) the window manager to determine the compositing engine, and then play along. I'm reading up on some of the compiz APIs now. I'd really like to incorporate some addit

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-22 Thread PaulReiber
Ryan - here's my understanding of this issue. I believe, at the heart of the issue is that Compiz handles virtual desktops quite differently than Metacity. Because of this, it "fakes" any apps using the Metacity virtual desktop API into thinking there's only one virtual desktop. I'm not sure of

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-22 Thread Ryan Beard
Thanks Paul. I've downloaded the Grub development kit, and I'll be setting up conary today. I'll let you how things go. -ryan On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 22:36 +, PaulReiber wrote: > Ryan, > > If you're willing to dig/investigate, code, debug, and submit, I'm > certainly willing to help. > > I'

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-21 Thread PaulReiber
Ryan, If you're willing to dig/investigate, code, debug, and submit, I'm certainly willing to help. I've been programming/administering UNIX for ~30 years, Linux for ~15. My strengths are... well, pretty wide-reaching, but not so much in the GUI/Gnome/Window-manager/Virtual-Desktop coding details

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-05-21 Thread PaulReiber
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ryan Beard wrote: > Is this patch still applicable to Lucid?  I'm unable to locate pager.c > > -- > Can't drag a window to another workspace > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150690 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of a du

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-04-09 Thread PaulReiber
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Paul Beardsell wrote: > Something is going wrong when my favourite o/s (of which I am a deeply > appreciative long time desktop user and boring evangelist) can have all its > window buttons moved top left and the background changed to lurid purple but > the desktop

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-04-09 Thread PaulReiber
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:01 AM, wdesmet wrote: > This only affects the workplace switcher applet, which I thought windows > didn't have? Indeed that appears to have been Allen's point - that workspace switching is something "new" that you don't see in Windows. Thus, new users try it out and like

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-04-09 Thread PaulReiber
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:39 AM, allankelly wrote: > This is still present in 9.10. [...affecting...] first impressions. Yes - depressing isn't it? However there doesn't appear to be a clear-cut fix because of how the implementation of workspaces differs from metacity to compiz. (oversimplifying

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-04-09 Thread Paul Beardsell
Something is going wrong when my favourite o/s (of which I am a deeply appreciative long time desktop user and boring evangelist) can have all its window buttons moved top left and the background changed to lurid purple but the desktop switcher does not work (for ordinary mortals) as it should. St

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2010-04-09 Thread Paul Beardsell
Hear! Hear! Paul Beardsell p...@beardsell.com On 9 April 2010 08:39, allankelly wrote: > This is still present in 9.10. I believe the most important issues are > those a) visible to new users out-of-the-box and b) which obviously > differ from Windows. Hence this is a very important issue whic

Re: [Bug 150690] Re: Can't drag a window to another workspace

2009-11-15 Thread PaulReiber
This tool-tip issue has nothing to do with the REAL bug. Please, let's stay on focus. If you think the tool-tip issue is serious enough, open a NEW bug, and discuss it there. This bug's about broken functionality, not about tool-tips. Kind regards, -Paul Reiber Email: p...@reiber.org Web: http: