+1 Rachel
Unity users want different things here. Beyond, I think Unity developers
want different things here too, because Ayatana Design has Fix
Committed, but it can't get the other projects to have Fix Committed
too, so it looks like the other projects are disagreeing with Ayatana
Design.
Gnom
On 15/09/2012 22:06, Aleve Sicofante wrote:
what to do when the window gets narrower than the menu...
> - Whatever has been done for 20+ years with the classic menu bar in the
> window. This is not a new problem.
i think they word-wrap onto additional lines, on windows at least.
that's going to
@Rachel Greenham: I couldn't agree more with you. We need to solve one
single issue first: show the global menu all the time, then proceed with
caution for any other options.
Just a few comments/suggestion on the main and secondary issues:
- Showing global menu permanently will hide the title of
Woo there Kenny !! don't go bunkers! they are working on that and should
land soon. :)
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fwiw i'd also say that for consistency's sake leave the default as-is -
not least for the reviews, where you'd have a choice between "They
changed the way menus work *again*" and "While the default menu
behaviour remains the same as before, there are now some user-
configurable options to answer lo
[x] option to show the damn global menu all the time
i believe that was the original complaint here; recently there's been
all these other options thrown in like someone *wanted* to muddy the
issue. LIM fwiw is a cute variation on the theme of having the menu on
the window, but which is just going
Why is solving this issue so hard? Why cannot the developer give user
configuration options?
JUST GIVE US AN OPTION TO SHOW THE DAMN GLOBAL MENU ALL THE TIME!
Novice Designer Mistakes
Changing shit for the sake of changing it.
Hiding necessary elements for a "minimalist" look aka sacrificing us
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I'm really confused. LIM and those two mockups have NOTHING to do with
how the global menu behaves or the original description of the Enhanced
Menu project (described in the "Desired change" section of the
description). How is it a solution to the VERY SERIOUS ISSUE that the
global menu hides, ma
@ Doug
no
@Ingo
I don't have a source.
:-(
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Please, this is not a poll system, its a bug tracker. The decision was
already taken (see bug description).
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Pedro, are you a developer? If not who is your source?
Look at how much attention this bug has. The ridiculous part is how the
Canonical developers handle this whole situation, it is really a public
relations and community involvement disaster.
First they promise that they will integrate LIMs. Th
Voting is useless, I do not think this is how Ubuntu developement works.
Also, if you read the bug description, the solution has been decided
already (LIM, whatever you think about it).
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@ Pedro Bessa
Do you have anything to back up "Development stopped .." other than YOU just
stating that?
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[x] mockup 2
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vooote!
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[x] LIM all the way
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http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/unity-mockup-menu-integrated-in-
window.html has two pictures, mockup 2, then mockup 1
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[] mockup 1 -> http://imageshack.us/f/837/screenshotdesktop.png/ and
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/unity-mockup-menu-integrated-in-window.html
[] mockup 2 ->
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/unity-mockup-menu-integrated-in-window.html and
http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com/gallery/29691776
2012/9/13 Pedro Bessa <682...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> Development stopped, because there are lots of ***disagreements***
> between us all.
>
> There were three alternatives.
> [] global menu on
> [] global menu off
> [] global menu only on maximized windows
> We came up with new alternatives.
> [] m
Oh shit, how this simple issue might be so complex? Please provide a way
to have local menus for apps like terminals and stop copycat Apple
shitty approaches.
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What I do not understand is that the official design decision has been
made by the Ayatana team (John Lea). So I do not see why the
disagreements should stop the development. Besides can't the final
decision be made after user testing this like in other situations?
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Disagreement can be solved by having configuration options. Only the
default must be agreed upon (or decided by Canonical). If even that is
hard, the user could be asked at first login.
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Development stopped, because there are lots of ***disagreements***
between us all.
There were three alternatives.
[] global menu on
[] global menu off
[] global menu only on maximized windows
We came up with new alternatives.
[] mockup 1
[] mockup 2
[] LIM
we need to:
- vote on the new alternativ
The App Menu should be in the Title Bar. When the window is maximized
the Title Bar is merged with the panel so the App Menu would naturally
be merged with the panel.
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Why do you not want to inform us about the status of this project? Is it
necessary to be secretive about this? Asking since you removed the line
" - More details to follow during the 12.10 cycle... ;-)"
If it won't make it into 12.10 that's fine, but many users would
appreciate it if you would ju
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Thanks, but I'm expecting global menu options, not the LIM. you know:
[x] Global Menu on
[x] Global Menu off
[x] Global Menu only for maximized windows
We had been promised some of this would land on Precise. I understand it
couldn't make it, but hoped it would be in Quantal.
Can any Ubuntu deve
Do the following instructions work in your computers?
http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/03/how-to-install-new-locally-integrated.html
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Just tested Quantal's daily build and there doesn't seem to be any
changes from Precise. Will this be ready for feature freeze?
I checked at Settings->Appearance->Behavior, maybe the configuration is
somewhere else?
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- Global menu in general (not only in Unity) is very unergonomic on large
- screens (see the attached screenshot) because if you have a small window
- somewhere near the low right corner you have to move the cursor all the
- way up to to panel to reach the menu. I understan
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@Ingo: Posting to Aytana mailing lists is waste of time as community
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> those whose other machines are Windows, or just came from earlier versions of
> Gnome, want menus
attached to the windows,
I've come from Gnome & Windows and I've never used a Mac. I'm quite
open to the Mac way of doing things, just aslong as it's done correctly
with menus that are always visi
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If you want to share your opinion that's grea
@Rachel: +1. No, wait, +100.
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If these comments reveal anything it's that different people want to
work in different ways. Those of us whose other main machines are Macs
want a permanently visible global menu; those whose other machines are
Windows, or just came from earlier versions of Gnome, want menus
attached to the win
Romano: these hidden interface elements (menu+window controls) actually
does not work on tablet devices without mouse, as it is not possible to
move the mouse pointer without clicking.
For netbook devices with mouse and small screen the current behavior
could be the best (but should be a user choi
I suggested the exact same thing due to this other bug:
"New windows are moved to front but don't take focus"
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/781931/comments/31
TOO MUCH CLICKING!
Apps and menus should follow mouse over focus. Will fix many issues.
I use fullscreen apps a lo
As ever, all the last discussion is forgetting the user (like myself) which
likes to have several windows on a big screen AND focus follow mouse. Global
menu and focus follow mouse is a no-no unless the window is maximized.
Not all devices are tablet, not every user use their desktop as a big tab
On 5/22/12 11:37 AM, Andrei Emeltchenko wrote:
> I think what happened is that designers copied Apple concept but
> unfortunately made some modifications :-(. Please if copy, then copy
> exactly!!
>
Well, except that they did *one* thing better than apple: In a
multi-monitor setup the global menu
> This is a perfect use case fur the HUD. Press alt.
No, the HUD is only good when you know exactly what command you want to
run , i.e. you're an experienced user, and then only if the application
supports it.
The menu should always be visible for reasons of dicsoverability and
usability. How ca
I think what happened is that designers copied Apple concept but
unfortunately made some modifications :-(. Please if copy, then copy
exactly!!
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Ok, Why don't you extend this philosophy by only showing the window that
the users mouse is currently over? This will reduce clutter even more!
Great plan eh?
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I can't stand the global menu. I've switched away from unity as a result.
As a developer, I constantly have a bunch of 'layers' of windows open.
For example, I might have a terminal window open in the background, my
IDE over top of that, and finally my web browser for testing the site
I'm develop
@Chris: We can also argue that having a global menu for anything make
the user maximize because this user don't want to move his mouse all
over his desk to only reveal a menu ...
I know I feel this problem, and I maximize nothing. Having this option
(use global menu only for maximized windows) wil
I have found that sometimes icons in the sidebar are mysteriously
coalesced. For instance, I've had Chrome and gedit merge into a single
icon, and clicking it would bring up the windows for both. However, this
happens too seldom to be reproducible, and I am not sure it has happened
in 12.04 yet, so
> Even when I can remember what the menu options are, I still have to
first move my mouse to the top and then move accross to the exact
location of the menu item.
This is a perfect use case fur the HUD. Press alt.
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@Chris:
> This fading menu is a terrible idea! It means I have to continuosly
hover my mouse over the top bar to see what the options are. How is this
good?
Well, you seem to be an heavy menu user, most users are not (if you use
a web browser, an email client and a text editor most of the common
One reason "use global menu only for maximized windows" is a bad idea
because you shouldn't be trying to encourage people to be maximising
windows. The reason we have larger screens is so we can fit more than
one window on the screen at any one time, I usually have several.
Microsoft Windows u
Please, oh Ubuntu gods, allow the Global application menu to always be
visible!
There's nothing worse than having to move your mouse around to discover
what might be or might not be there.It takes all the snappiness out
of the interface.
This fading menu is a terrible idea! It means I have
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Current status (always global and hidding menu) is absolutely user UNfriendly.
So my opinion is:
[x] Global Menu only for maximized windows
[x] Do not hide Global Menu
And it'll be perfect. All should be optional, but these as default.
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I would also like to see an option like
'Do not hide Global Menu'.
Right now, the global menu and the action buttons are hidden after a
definable time. I would prefer if they would be visible all the time as
e.g. on Mac OS X. Hiding it might lower clutter but sadly it lowers
productivity, too as
As I have asked before: Isn't it possible to put the global menu into the
"window decoration/caption bar" for non-maximized windows?
So it would always be in the bar above the window. Nice, clean, logical and
consistent.
Otherwise I'm with the
[x] Global Menu only for maximized windows
solutio
I vote for
[x] Global Menu on
[x] Global Menu off
[x ] Global Menu only for maximized windows
I think is ok the switch on/off of global-menu (if this is the user's
will) but the third solution is really more ergonomical and a more
intelligent choice.
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