Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-07-25 Thread Thatcher Ulrich
On Jun 21, 2002 at 12:33 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 05:42:06PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > The 4.1 configuration makes the 102 key layout incompatible with the > > 104 key one. The 4.2 configuration makes the 104 key layout a strict > > superset of the 102-ke

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-07-25 Thread Thatcher Ulrich
On Jun 21, 2002 at 12:33 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 05:42:06PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > The 4.1 configuration makes the 102 key layout incompatible with the > > 104 key one. The 4.2 configuration makes the 104 key layout a strict > > superset of the 102-k

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-07-24 Thread Romain FRANCOISE
Branden Robinson writes: > 1) I personally don't care, since I remap the funny keys on the bottom > row to suit my own strange tastes anyway; > 2) I don't want to subject my users to shock and horror. > 3) I don't want to deviate gratuitously from upstream practice. > I'd appreciate input from th

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-07-24 Thread Romain FRANCOISE
Branden Robinson writes: > 1) I personally don't care, since I remap the funny keys on the bottom > row to suit my own strange tastes anyway; > 2) I don't want to subject my users to shock and horror. > 3) I don't want to deviate gratuitously from upstream practice. > I'd appreciate input from t

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> the reason I use Alt to bind window-manager commands is that Meta is > used by Emacs... The Key Formerly Known As Meta (``Windows'') is now called Super. You should feel free to bind S-x in your window manager. > Ew. Well, I guess that if the X people don't care, and Branden > doesn't care, I

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> the reason I use Alt to bind window-manager commands is that Meta is > used by Emacs... The Key Formerly Known As Meta (``Windows'') is now called Super. You should feel free to bind S-x in your window manager. > Ew. Well, I guess that if the X people don't care, and Branden > doesn't care,

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread John Lenton
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 12:33:43PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > I'd appreciate input from the people on this list as to the impact of > XFree86 4.2 on 2) and 3). Are those goals truly in conflict? Is this > only a problem for people with buggy window managers? How many Debian > users use

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 05:42:06PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > The 4.1 configuration makes the 102 key layout incompatible with the > 104 key one. The 4.2 configuration makes the 104 key layout a strict > superset of the 102-key one. > > This was discussed in depth on Xpert, and the 4.2 la

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 05:42:06PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > >> Your window manager is buggy. In 4.2, the ``Alt'' key carries both > >> Alt and Meta modifiers. > > > Yes, as I explained before, I found the source of the bug: X's > > keymappings changed to

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread John Lenton
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 12:33:43PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > I'd appreciate input from the people on this list as to the impact of > XFree86 4.2 on 2) and 3). Are those goals truly in conflict? Is this > only a problem for people with buggy window managers? How many Debian > users use

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> Your window manager is buggy. In 4.2, the ``Alt'' key carries both >> Alt and Meta modifiers. > Yes, as I explained before, I found the source of the bug: X's > keymappings changed to be (a) less useful, and (b) different from > previous versions. I don't see how you think my window-manager i

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 05:42:06PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > The 4.1 configuration makes the 102 key layout incompatible with the > 104 key one. The 4.2 configuration makes the 104 key layout a strict > superset of the 102-key one. > > This was discussed in depth on Xpert, and the 4.2 l

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 04:06:27PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > I'm testing the XFree86 4.2 packages, and the first thing I noticed >(within a few seconds of setting them up) is that none of my keybindings >work; for instance, the one I use to pop

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
I'm testing the XFree86 4.2 packages, and the first thing I noticed (within a few seconds of setting them up) is that none of my keybindings work; for instance, the one I use to pop up a new xterm (Alt-t) or the one I use to move windows (Meta-Button1). A few seconds of experime

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 05:42:06PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > >> Your window manager is buggy. In 4.2, the ``Alt'' key carries both > >> Alt and Meta modifiers. > > > Yes, as I explained before, I found the source of the bug: X's > > keymappings changed to

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> Your window manager is buggy. In 4.2, the ``Alt'' key carries both >> Alt and Meta modifiers. > Yes, as I explained before, I found the source of the bug: X's > keymappings changed to be (a) less useful, and (b) different from > previous versions. I don't see how you think my window-manager

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 04:06:27PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > I'm testing the XFree86 4.2 packages, and the first thing I noticed >(within a few seconds of setting them up) is that none of my keybindings >work; for instance, the one I use to pop

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-21 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
I'm testing the XFree86 4.2 packages, and the first thing I noticed (within a few seconds of setting them up) is that none of my keybindings work; for instance, the one I use to pop up a new xterm (Alt-t) or the one I use to move windows (Meta-Button1). A few seconds of experim

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 04:20:22PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > Hi, > > I'm testing the XFree86 4.2 packages, and the first thing I noticed > (within a few seconds of setting them up) is that none of my keybindings > work; for instance, the one I use to pop up a new xterm (Alt-t) or the > on

XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-20 Thread Daniel Burrows
Hi, I'm testing the XFree86 4.2 packages, and the first thing I noticed (within a few seconds of setting them up) is that none of my keybindings work; for instance, the one I use to pop up a new xterm (Alt-t) or the one I use to move windows (Meta-Button1). A few seconds of experimentation

Re: XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 04:20:22PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > Hi, > > I'm testing the XFree86 4.2 packages, and the first thing I noticed > (within a few seconds of setting them up) is that none of my keybindings > work; for instance, the one I use to pop up a new xterm (Alt-t) or the > o

XF4.2 packages think Alt is Meta

2002-06-20 Thread Daniel Burrows
Hi, I'm testing the XFree86 4.2 packages, and the first thing I noticed (within a few seconds of setting them up) is that none of my keybindings work; for instance, the one I use to pop up a new xterm (Alt-t) or the one I use to move windows (Meta-Button1). A few seconds of experimentation