On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:09:33AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:18:27PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> scrawled:
> > i _did_ know of dselect and don't like it, it is _way_ too
> > confusing and terse: keystrokes are invisible and it is
> > impossible to find ou
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:09:33AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:18:27PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton scrawled:
> > i _did_ know of dselect and don't like it, it is _way_ too
> > confusing and terse: keystrokes are invisible and it is
> > impossible to find out w
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:18:27PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton scrawled:
> i _did_ know of dselect and don't like it, it is _way_ too
> confusing and terse: keystrokes are invisible and it is
> impossible to find out what they are.
Every time you start dselect and go to the select packa
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:18:27PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton scrawled:
> i _did_ know of dselect and don't like it, it is _way_ too
> confusing and terse: keystrokes are invisible and it is
> impossible to find out what they are.
Every time you start dselect and go to the select packa
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:08:36AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:18:27PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> > if i didn't care about debian, and didn't want other
> > people like my brother and my friends to be able to
> > use it (instead of
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:04:25AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:42:08AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> > ... or is this the sort of thing that cannot be noted because
> > it's pre-install and the debconf system cannot do pre-install
> > "questions" like
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:18:27PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> if i didn't care about debian, and didn't want other
> people like my brother and my friends to be able to
> use it (instead of bloody suse and stupid redhat),
> i wouldn't press this iss
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:42:08AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> ... or is this the sort of thing that cannot be noted because
> it's pre-install and the debconf system cannot do pre-install
> "questions" like it can do pre-configure "questions"?
Debconf scripts do not have a good w
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:04:25AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:42:08AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> > ... or is this the sort of thing that cannot be noted because
> > it's pre-install and the debconf system cannot do pre-install
> > "questions" like
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:08:36AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:18:27PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> > if i didn't care about debian, and didn't want other
> > people like my brother and my friends to be able to
> > use it (instead of
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 06:16:24AM -0800, Chris Waters wrote:
chris, thanks for responding.
i acknowledge and understand what you are saying about
aptitude.
if i had known that it existed, and had a command-line-only
interface, i would have investigated and possibly even used
it well befor
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:18:27PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> if i didn't care about debian, and didn't want other
> people like my brother and my friends to be able to
> use it (instead of bloody suse and stupid redhat),
> i wouldn't press this iss
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:42:08AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> ... or is this the sort of thing that cannot be noted because
> it's pre-install and the debconf system cannot do pre-install
> "questions" like it can do pre-configure "questions"?
Debconf scripts do not have a good w
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:55:47AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 09:06:38PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > xserver-xfree86 Recommends: xfonts-base - dselect and aptitude should
> > handle this correctly.
> apt-get did not.
No, apt-get is an expert's tool,
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 06:16:24AM -0800, Chris Waters wrote:
chris, thanks for responding.
i acknowledge and understand what you are saying about
aptitude.
if i had known that it existed, and had a command-line-only
interface, i would have investigated and possibly even used
it well befor
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:55:47AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 09:06:38PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > xserver-xfree86 Recommends: xfonts-base - dselect and aptitude should
> > handle this correctly.
> apt-get did not.
No, apt-get is an expert's tool,
... or is this the sort of thing that cannot be noted because
it's pre-install and the debconf system cannot do pre-install
"questions" like it can do pre-configure "questions"?
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:06:17AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> okay, how about this as a solution.
>
okay, how about this as a solution.
the debconf / apt xserver configuration performs a detection
that xfree86 has failed (runs it).
then it checks the configuration and the fonts options
and then asks, based on that information,
"it has been noted that [you do not have xfonts-base installed],
n
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 09:06:38PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:50:38PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> scrawled:
> > [kasnip]
> >
> > xserver-xfree86 _definitely_ depends on xfonts-base, despite what
> > you think.
> >
> > if xserver-xfree86 doesn't work without
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:50:38PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton scrawled:
> [kasnip]
>
> xserver-xfree86 _definitely_ depends on xfonts-base, despite what
> you think.
>
> if xserver-xfree86 doesn't work without xfonts-base installed,
> then there is a dependency!
>
> there is no escaping
... or is this the sort of thing that cannot be noted because
it's pre-install and the debconf system cannot do pre-install
"questions" like it can do pre-configure "questions"?
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:06:17AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> okay, how about this as a solution.
>
branden,
let's take a step back here.
you are a developer.
you are a debian developer.
you have been working for, i presume, several years on the
debian gnu/linux project.
you are a responsible developer.
therefore please can i respectfully ask you to treat people
who have less knowledge than
okay, how about this as a solution.
the debconf / apt xserver configuration performs a detection
that xfree86 has failed (runs it).
then it checks the configuration and the fonts options
and then asks, based on that information,
"it has been noted that [you do not have xfonts-base installed],
n
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 09:06:38PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:50:38PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton scrawled:
> > [kasnip]
> >
> > xserver-xfree86 _definitely_ depends on xfonts-base, despite what
> > you think.
> >
> > if xserver-xfree86 doesn't work without xf
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:50:38PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton scrawled:
> [kasnip]
>
> xserver-xfree86 _definitely_ depends on xfonts-base, despite what
> you think.
>
> if xserver-xfree86 doesn't work without xfonts-base installed,
> then there is a dependency!
>
> there is no escaping
branden,
let's take a step back here.
you are a developer.
you are a debian developer.
you have been working for, i presume, several years on the
debian gnu/linux project.
you are a responsible developer.
therefore please can i respectfully ask you to treat people
who have less knowledge than
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 07:01:49PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> so.
>
> this bug needs to be re-opened, specifically against the
> xserver and xfonts-base package dependencies.
No.
> if you like i can reissue this as a separate bug.
No.
> the bug is:
>
> if you haven't install
21.67]
> by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian))
> id 18lYTk-0002hn-00; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:57:56 -0600
> Received: by redwald.deadbeast.net (Postfix, from userid 1000)
> id D55C164196; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:57:38 -0500 (EST)
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 07:01:49PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> so.
>
> this bug needs to be re-opened, specifically against the
> xserver and xfonts-base package dependencies.
No.
> if you like i can reissue this as a separate bug.
No.
> the bug is:
>
> if you haven't install
> by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian))
> id 18lYTk-0002hn-00; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:57:56 -0600
> Received: by redwald.deadbeast.net (Postfix, from userid 1000)
> id D55C164196; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:57:38 -0500 (EST)
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:57:38
Package: xserver-xfree86
Version: 4.1.0-16
Severity: normal
system had debian potato 2.2 on it, upgraded to "stable" via
internet on a REALLY old machine: it worked, it was dog-slow
as it only had 32mb of system ram. upgrade to "stable" was
performed two months ago, installed latest xserver-xfree
Package: xserver-xfree86
Version: 4.1.0-16
Severity: normal
system had debian potato 2.2 on it, upgraded to "stable" via
internet on a REALLY old machine: it worked, it was dog-slow
as it only had 32mb of system ram. upgrade to "stable" was
performed two months ago, installed latest xserver-xfree
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