Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-24 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 18:44, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 09:26:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > Why are you so gung-ho about killing libGLU? > > > > In order to stop the duplication of effort. > > What effort? It's a lot more trouble to patch the XFree86 source tree

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-24 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 18:38, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 09:41:04PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:17, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > > > Mmm, I'm liking libgl1-xfree86. My original n

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-24 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 18:44, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 09:26:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > Why are you so gung-ho about killing libGLU? > > > > In order to stop the duplication of effort. > > What effort? It's a lot more trouble to patch the XFree86 source tree

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-24 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 18:38, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 09:41:04PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:17, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > > > Mmm, I'm liking libgl1-xfree86. My original n

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 09:26:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > Why are you so gung-ho about killing libGLU? > > In order to stop the duplication of effort. What effort? It's a lot more trouble to patch the XFree86 source tree to pretend libGLU isn't there than it is to just leave well enou

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 09:41:04PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:17, Branden Robinson wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > > Mmm, I'm liking libgl1-xfree86. My original name for the DRM sources was > > > > xfree86-drm-src, but that

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 09:07:07PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:17, Branden Robinson wrote: > >> I wish you'd both calm down a little bit about this issue. > > > > I have the impression that we're perfectly calm. > > I feel

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 09:26:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > Why are you so gung-ho about killing libGLU? > > In order to stop the duplication of effort. What effort? It's a lot more trouble to patch the XFree86 source tree to pretend libGLU isn't there than it is to just leave well enou

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 09:41:04PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:17, Branden Robinson wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > > Mmm, I'm liking libgl1-xfree86. My original name for the DRM sources was > > > > xfree86-drm-src, but that

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 09:07:07PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:17, Branden Robinson wrote: > >> I wish you'd both calm down a little bit about this issue. > > > > I have the impression that we're perfectly calm. > > I feel

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Sean Neakums
Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:17, Branden Robinson wrote: >> I wish you'd both calm down a little bit about this issue. > > I have the impression that we're perfectly calm. I feel that Branden's use of "calm" here is in the sense that the changes have been c

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:17, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > Mmm, I'm liking libgl1-xfree86. My original name for the DRM sources was > > > xfree86-drm-src, but that later got renamed. > > > > Not too bad, methinks. > > I don't like i

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:11, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 12:47:05PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > Why isn't Mesa 5's libGL built as well? > > > > *sigh* How many times will we have to walk this through yet? > > > > The libGLs provided by Mesa and XFree86 aren't the same.

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > Mmm, I'm liking libgl1-xfree86. My original name for the DRM sources was > > xfree86-drm-src, but that later got renamed. > > Not too bad, methinks. I don't like it. Are these things really XFree86 X xserver specific, or just DRI

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 12:47:05PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > Why isn't Mesa 5's libGL built as well? > > *sigh* How many times will we have to walk this through yet? > > The libGLs provided by Mesa and XFree86 aren't the same. In particular, > the former can't use direct rendering, while th

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Sean Neakums
Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:17, Branden Robinson wrote: >> I wish you'd both calm down a little bit about this issue. > > I have the impression that we're perfectly calm. I feel that Branden's use of "calm" here is in the sense that the changes have been c

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:17, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > Mmm, I'm liking libgl1-xfree86. My original name for the DRM sources was > > > xfree86-drm-src, but that later got renamed. > > > > Not too bad, methinks. > > I don't like i

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 20:11, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 12:47:05PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > Why isn't Mesa 5's libGL built as well? > > > > *sigh* How many times will we have to walk this through yet? > > > > The libGLs provided by Mesa and XFree86 aren't the same.

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > Mmm, I'm liking libgl1-xfree86. My original name for the DRM sources was > > xfree86-drm-src, but that later got renamed. > > Not too bad, methinks. I don't like it. Are these things really XFree86 X xserver specific, or just DRI

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 12:47:05PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > Why isn't Mesa 5's libGL built as well? > > *sigh* How many times will we have to walk this through yet? > > The libGLs provided by Mesa and XFree86 aren't the same. In particular, > the former can't use direct rendering, while th

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:12:42PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 14:04, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 13:35, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > How are the other GL packages named - mesa-libgl1 and f

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 14:04, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 13:35, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > How are the other GL packages named - mesa-libgl1 and friends? > > > > No, as has been discussed here, it's still mesag3 for

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 13:35, Daniel Stone wrote: > > How are the other GL packages named - mesa-libgl1 and friends? > > No, as has been discussed here, it's still mesag3 for hysterical > reasons. We have to set a good example. :) "

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 13:35, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 01:27:33PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 12:54, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > Any ideas on what we should call xlibmesa-drm-src and xlibmesa-gl? > > > > Time for a little brainstorming session? :) > >

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 01:27:33PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 12:54, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 12:47:05PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > > > > The libGLs provided by Mesa and XFree86 aren't the same. In particular, > > > the former can't use direct

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 12:54, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 12:47:05PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > > The libGLs provided by Mesa and XFree86 aren't the same. In particular, > > the former can't use direct rendering, while the latter can't use plain > > X11 rendering. > > > >

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 04:15, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 04:13:58AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 03:55, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 06:09:35PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > > * drop xlibmesa-glu* in favour of libglu1-mesa* >

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:12:42PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 14:04, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 13:35, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > How are the other GL packages named - mesa-libgl1 and f

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 14:04, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 13:35, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > How are the other GL packages named - mesa-libgl1 and friends? > > > > No, as has been discussed here, it's still mesag3 for

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:00:54PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 13:35, Daniel Stone wrote: > > How are the other GL packages named - mesa-libgl1 and friends? > > No, as has been discussed here, it's still mesag3 for hysterical > reasons. We have to set a good example. :) "

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 13:35, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 01:27:33PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 12:54, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > > Any ideas on what we should call xlibmesa-drm-src and xlibmesa-gl? > > > > Time for a little brainstorming session? :) > >

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 01:27:33PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 12:54, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 12:47:05PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > > > > The libGLs provided by Mesa and XFree86 aren't the same. In particular, > > > the former can't use direct

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 12:54, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 12:47:05PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > > The libGLs provided by Mesa and XFree86 aren't the same. In particular, > > the former can't use direct rendering, while the latter can't use plain > > X11 rendering. > > > >

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 04:15, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 04:13:58AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 03:55, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 06:09:35PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > > * drop xlibmesa-glu* in favour of libglu1-mesa* >

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-21 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 04:13:58AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 03:55, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 06:09:35PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > * drop xlibmesa-glu* in favour of libglu1-mesa* > > > * fix xlibmesa-drm-src name; the DRM isn't a l

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-21 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 03:55, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 06:09:35PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > * drop xlibmesa-glu* in favour of libglu1-mesa* > > * fix xlibmesa-drm-src name; the DRM isn't a library, and it has > > nothing whatsoever to do with Mesa. Some

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-21 Thread Daniel Stone
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 06:09:35PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > * drop xlibmesa-glu* in favour of libglu1-mesa* > * fix xlibmesa-drm-src name; the DRM isn't a library, and it has > nothing whatsoever to do with Mesa. Something like > drm-module-src maybe? > * xlib

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-21 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 04:13:58AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 03:55, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 06:09:35PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > * drop xlibmesa-glu* in favour of libglu1-mesa* > > > * fix xlibmesa-drm-src name; the DRM isn't a l

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-21 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 03:55, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 06:09:35PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > * drop xlibmesa-glu* in favour of libglu1-mesa* > > * fix xlibmesa-drm-src name; the DRM isn't a library, and it has > > nothing whatsoever to do with Mesa. Some

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-21 Thread Daniel Stone
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 06:09:35PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > * drop xlibmesa-glu* in favour of libglu1-mesa* > * fix xlibmesa-drm-src name; the DRM isn't a library, and it has > nothing whatsoever to do with Mesa. Something like > drm-module-src maybe? > * xlib

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-20 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 06:22, Daniel Stone wrote: > Hi all, > The following is a list of the things *I* think still need to be done > for 4.3.0-0pre1v1. It should not be considered an official XSF document, > or anything of the sort. If anyone has any comments, please add them. * drop xlibmes

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-20 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 06:22, Daniel Stone wrote: > Hi all, > The following is a list of the things *I* think still need to be done > for 4.3.0-0pre1v1. It should not be considered an official XSF document, > or anything of the sort. If anyone has any comments, please add them. * drop xlibmes

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read - UPDATED]

2003-06-19 Thread Daniel Stone
Ye olde updatee. On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 02:22:15PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > 4.3.0-0pre1: > * Build on at least 80% of current sid architectures (me). > * Iron out #190323, weak GL deps bug. > * Have dexconf make backups, etc (Branden: I'm happy to help with > this). * Must upgrade

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read - UPDATED]

2003-06-19 Thread Daniel Stone
Ye olde updatee. On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 02:22:15PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > 4.3.0-0pre1: > * Build on at least 80% of current sid architectures (me). > * Iron out #190323, weak GL deps bug. > * Have dexconf make backups, etc (Branden: I'm happy to help with > this). * Must upgrade

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-18 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 03:10:31PM +0900, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote: > Current status: > xcursor is already installed into sid. So it is - thanks. My p.d.o search on "xcursor" turned up nothing. > build checks are done on i386/sparc/alpha. See p/d/STATUS for info on whether the various architectu

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-18 Thread ISHIKAWA Mutsumi
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi all, >> The following is a list of the things *I* think still need to be done >> for 4.3.0-0pre1v1. It should not be considered an official XSF document, >> or anything of the sort. If anyone has any comments, plea

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-18 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 03:10:31PM +0900, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote: > Current status: > xcursor is already installed into sid. So it is - thanks. My p.d.o search on "xcursor" turned up nothing. > build checks are done on i386/sparc/alpha. See p/d/STATUS for info on whether the various architectu

4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-17 Thread Daniel Stone
Hi all, The following is a list of the things *I* think still need to be done for 4.3.0-0pre1v1. It should not be considered an official XSF document, or anything of the sort. If anyone has any comments, please add them. 4.3.0-0pre1: * Get xcursor into sid, check separation is clean (Ishikawa?).

Re: 4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-17 Thread ISHIKAWA Mutsumi
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi all, >> The following is a list of the things *I* think still need to be done >> for 4.3.0-0pre1v1. It should not be considered an official XSF document, >> or anything of the sort. If anyone has any comments, plea

4.3.0-0pre1v1 [XSF, please read]

2003-06-17 Thread Daniel Stone
Hi all, The following is a list of the things *I* think still need to be done for 4.3.0-0pre1v1. It should not be considered an official XSF document, or anything of the sort. If anyone has any comments, please add them. 4.3.0-0pre1: * Get xcursor into sid, check separation is clean (Ishikawa?).