Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-21 Thread Laura Arjona Reina
Hi everybody El 18/09/14 a las #4, Don Armstrong escribió: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014, Paul Wise wrote: >> The other main issue is people wanting partial checkouts. >> >> https://wiki.debian.org/WebsiteVCSEvaluation > [...] > Can anyone who currently uses partial checkouts comment whether a 500M > one

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Paul Wise wrote: > Sounds useful but... The problem is that not every package will have a > wiki page and so we need some mechanism to figure out which ones do. > Should be easy enough to add a page list export to wiki.debian.org if > you would like to start this p

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Miguel Figueiredo wrote: > Here's a mockup image about the placement: > https://i.imgur.com/Yl7YZMa.png The wiki is documentation rather than support, so I put it in the other column. > I also find having both "Mailing lists" and "Mailing lists archives" on the >

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-20 Thread Miguel Figueiredo
Hi, On 11-09-2014 09:16, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Miguel Figueiredo wrote: just a couple of ideas about the wiki: * visibility on front page of www.debian.org. Currently dozens of links on fron tpage, but the wiki is not visible. Good point, I've added a link to i

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 17 sep 14, 22:41:38, Don Armstrong wrote: > > Can anyone who currently uses partial checkouts comment whether a 500M > one time checkout would be a burden? [Is this just a matter of better > tools for people doing translations?] Most probably, and I'm guessing moving to po4a would solve mo

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014, Paul Wise wrote: > The other main issue is people wanting partial checkouts. > > https://wiki.debian.org/WebsiteVCSEvaluation Partial checkouts aren't really workable with git, unfortunately. [1] From experience, though, we're only talking on the order of 500M or so for a com

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: > I don't even know how we'd go about making this decision. I think the biggest issue is the translation headers, which rely on CVS revision numbers. We could replace them with git commit ids and or switch to Locale::Po4a::Wml. The other main

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > Am 17.09.2014 00:16, schrieb Don Armstrong: > > On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, Stéphane Blondon wrote: > >> I'm interested to migrate from CVS to whatever DVCS. Git is the most > >> used today so it's probably the best choice: - more help for beginner > >> - advan

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-17 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:15:11AM +0200, Tomas Pospisek a écrit : > > Is your preliminary work available somewhere or isn't is any value yet > for other contributors? Hi Thomas, this does not answer directly to your question, but you may find the following link useful. https://wiki.debian.

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-17 Thread Tomas Pospisek
Am 17.09.2014 00:16, schrieb Don Armstrong: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, Stéphane Blondon wrote: >> I'm interested to migrate from CVS to whatever DVCS. Git is the most >> used today so it's probably the best choice: - more help for beginner >> - advanced user has used/uses/will use Git at some point >

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-16 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 03:16:57PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: >On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, Stéphane Blondon wrote: >> I'm interested to migrate from CVS to whatever DVCS. Git is the most >> used today so it's probably the best choice: - more help for beginner >> - advanced user has used/uses/will use Git

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, Stéphane Blondon wrote: > I'm interested to migrate from CVS to whatever DVCS. Git is the most > used today so it's probably the best choice: - more help for beginner > - advanced user has used/uses/will use Git at some point I'm also interested in seeing -ww move away from CV

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-14 Thread Stéphane Blondon
2014-09-10 19:25 GMT+02:00 Steve McIntyre : > debian-www > == > > * We're still using CVS for the website, which is a PITA. Git might > work, but for a few (potential?) problems: > > + New way of working for our contributors, including translators who > may not cope with learning a

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-11 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:05:04PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 AM, J.A. Bezemer wrote: > >> - For every new wiki account, mail a copy of the very first page edit (diff) >> to a small number of people. Should be very easy to spot spam, and only then >> some action needs to

Re: Wiki authentification [Was: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14]

2014-09-11 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 02:05:33PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Fabien Givors (Debian) wrote: > >> Since the question of authentication is on the table (and sorry if it >> has already been asked, I didn't find any thread related to that on >> d-www), I was wondering why

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Miguel Figueiredo wrote: > just a couple of ideas about the wiki: > > * visibility on front page of www.debian.org. > Currently dozens of links on fron tpage, but the wiki is not visible. Good point, I've added a link to it under the documentation section in the

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 AM, J.A. Bezemer wrote: > - For every new wiki account, mail a copy of the very first page edit (diff) > to a small number of people. Should be very easy to spot spam, and only then > some action needs to be taken. We already have some people following RecentChanges a

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Could we use po4a / gettext for www.d.o translation? > > > Maybe - we need people to work on this to see if we can make it work. The discussion on IRC seems to indicate yes, using Locale::Po4

Re: Wiki authentification [Was: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14]

2014-09-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Fabien Givors (Debian) wrote: > Since the question of authentication is on the table (and sorry if it > has already been asked, I didn't find any thread related to that on > d-www), I was wondering why the different wikis (wiki, debconf, maybe > others) each have t

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-10 Thread Miguel Figueiredo
Hi, just a couple of ideas about the wiki: * visibility on front page of www.debian.org. Currently dozens of links on fron tpage, but the wiki is not visible. There is "ports/architecture" link on front page bellow "Support" links. I would not be shocked if this was moved to "Developers" are

Wiki authentification [Was: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14]

2014-09-10 Thread Fabien Givors (Debian)
Hi, Many thanks to Steve and the www/wiki/video teams for the BoF and this summary. On 10/09/2014 19:25, Steve McIntyre wrote: > debian-wiki > === > [snip] > Questions about account setup, clarified that account holders in the > wiki don't need to be DDs. Sign-ups are free for anyone who

Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-10 Thread J.A. Bezemer
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014, Steve McIntyre wrote: [...] Wiki anti-spam discussion = [..] There's no perfect solution here - we're having to work out spam/ham on a small amount of information, and we can never be *100%* sure. Just another 2 cents (maybe already implemented?)

Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

2014-09-10 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ Please note the cross-post and Reply-To ] Hi folks, As promised, here's a quick summary of what was discussed at the BoF session in Portland. Apologies for the delay - it takes a while to write these up... :-/ Thanks to the awesome efforts of our video team, the session is already online [1].