Re: license [was Re: Doubts and Ideas]

2007-06-22 Thread MJ Ray
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 06:23:44PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > In any event, to resolve this issue completely > > While we're at it. Since we obviously have time-related issues with the > complete solution :) can someone suggest an alternate phrasing for

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-04 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:07:47PM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > Hi! > > * Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070531 12:40]: > > - post to d-a that the license is going to change in X months and that > > contributors are going to be contacted. Provide pointers to anyone feel

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-04 Thread Kaare Olsen
On Sun, 27 May 2007 18:20:40 -0300 "Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > About "Who's using Debian" and CD Vendors > = > > It would be possible to have a very minimal system to take > care of those submissions, I think it wou

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-04 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070531 12:40]: > - post to d-a that the license is going to change in X months and that > contributors are going to be contacted. Provide pointers to anyone feels he > should be contacted and isn't d-a? d-a as in debian-announce? Yo

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:12:22 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> If the license is free, we need not be changing it at all, either now > >> nor in the future. > > > We'd have to revi

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:12:22 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> If the license is free, we need not be changing it at all, either now >> nor in the future. > We'd have to revisit it in cases where works in the website which we > would

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > If the license is free, we need not be changing it at all, either > now nor in the future. We'd have to revisit it in cases where works in the website which we would like to combine are under different, conflicting free licenses. > Indeed, if the i

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:31:41 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sat, 02 Jun 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:57:25 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> said: >> > 2 doesn't provide the protection of a copyleft license, but it >> > would enable us to us

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-02 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 02:23:26AM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > >> This means that we have to copy & paste the entries into the > >> webwml/english/CD/vendors.CD file in CVS, *manually* sort the list, > > > > This manual sorting bugs me. We should definitely be able to throw

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-02 Thread Richard Atterer
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 08:19:22PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > Huh? > I don't see anything missing in the thread. > Do you mean http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2007/05/msg00235.html Oops - yes, I meant that one! :-o I did check my own spam folder before posting... somehow I missed my own mail or

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 02 June 2007 20:10, Richard Atterer wrote: > FWIW, I'm unable to send my comments (quoted in part by Josip above, as > I mailed him directly) to this mailing list. Apparently they are always > deleted by the list's spam filter. :-( Huh? I don't see anything missing in the thread. Do yo

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-02 Thread Richard Atterer
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 04:03:19PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:00:38PM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote: > > The current system was implemented by Josip recently, and is a big > > improvement over the previous state: > > ...the previous state being that a vendor mails assor

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:57:25 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > 2 doesn't provide the protection of a copyleft license, but it > > would enable us to use the work in combination with any other > > license, so would be ok. > > And kinda

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:57:25 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, 01 Jun 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> While my preference is the GPL V2; I would be willing to accept any >> DFSG free license, if asked. But signing away my rights mean that, in >> theory, Debian can decide to

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > While my preference is the GPL V2; I would be willing to accept any > DFSG free license, if asked. But signing away my rights mean that, > in theory, Debian can decide to change the license to something > unacceptable (look at documentation the FSF cha

license [was Re: Doubts and Ideas]

2007-06-01 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 06:23:44PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > In any event, to resolve this issue completely While we're at it. Since we obviously have time-related issues with the complete solution :) can someone suggest an alternate phrasing for /license that would not be false? How do we ref

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 31 May 2007 19:55:26 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> I specifically do not trust the SPI enough to allow them to relicense >> my work in the future. > This sort of relicensing should be done at the direction of Debian; we > could even write up the license assignment so

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-06-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 31 May 2007 23:41:27 +0200, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:56:36AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I am willing to relicense my contributions under the GPL v2; but I am >> not willing to assign my copyright away. >> >> I specifically do not trust the

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-31 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2007 07:40 AM, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:58:43PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: >>> And considering a lot of other people have infinite more >>> understading of Copyright issues, what should we do if we ca

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-31 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I am willing to relicense my contributions under the GPL v2; but I > am not willing to assign my copyright away. Yeah, this is precisely why I think giving an unrestrictive license to SPI acting at the direction of Debian should be an option; some peo

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-31 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2007 06:12 PM, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Thu, 31 May 2007 17:06:08 -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> Would you allow the Debian WWW Team (or a DPL delegate for >> that matter) to relicense your

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 31 May 2007 17:06:08 -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Would you allow the Debian WWW Team (or a DPL delegate for > that matter) to relicense your work under a DFSG compatible license? > Or, would you dual-license it GPLv2 and MIT/Expat? That woul

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-31 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:56:36AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I am willing to relicense my contributions under the GPL v2; but > I am not willing to assign my copyright away. > > I specifically do not trust the SPI enough to allow them to > relicense my work in the future.

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-31 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2007 01:56 PM, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:23:44 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> On Wed, 30 May 2007, Josip Rodin wrote: >>> It's unlikely that our web pages have much content for which there >>> isn'

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:23:44 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Josip Rodin wrote: >> It's unlikely that our web pages have much content for which there >> isn't prior art, or simply common knowledge. > Prior art isn't an issue, since it's not patented. > In a

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-31 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:58:43PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > And considering a lot of other people have infinite more > > understading of Copyright issues, what should we do if we can't > > find/contact the contributor and/or he/she decides to not relicense > > it? Is it possible to remove th

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-31 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 06:23:44PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > It's unlikely that our web pages have much content for which there > > isn't prior art, or simply common knowledge. > > Prior art isn't an issue, since it's not patented. I meant that thing that makes copyright applicable - a modi

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > I remember that some people complained about given their copyright > to SPI (or $whoever), I think we should go with both options, I'm > only afraid about having material licensed under incompatible > licenses (could that happen?). We'

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/30/2007 10:23 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Josip Rodin wrote: >> It's unlikely that our web pages have much content for which there >> isn't prior art, or simply common knowledge. > > Prior art isn't an issue, since it's not p

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/30/2007 11:08 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 06:20:40PM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) > wrote: >> >> About a redesign >> >> >> I think that should be done, from time to time, usi

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/30/2007 05:51 PM, Peter Karlsson wrote: > Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña: > >> Even though the timeframe for the removal is rather large (6 months) >> it would be a nice addition to that service to have the actions e-mail >> to translators' list

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/30/2007 11:03 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:00:38PM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote: >> The current system was implemented by Josip recently, and is a big >> improvement over the previous state: > > ...the previous state bein

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 30 May 2007, Josip Rodin wrote: > It's unlikely that our web pages have much content for which there > isn't prior art, or simply common knowledge. Prior art isn't an issue, since it's not patented. In any event, to resolve this issue completely all that we need is 1) a GPG signed email f

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread MJ Ray
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 05:51:25PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Pe?a > wrote: > > - Debian-legal says that the website license (OPL) not DFSG-free (see > > http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040312.160816.9f618d1f.html) > > This is the same

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Peter Karlsson
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña: Even though the timeframe for the removal is rather large (6 months) it would be a nice addition to that service to have the actions e-mail to translators' lists before they are taken (and content is removed from the website). Currently, the only mail produced

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 05:51:25PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: > > What license problem? Everything is licensed to SPI, always has been. > > I'm suprised you ask this. Have you read 238245? Obviously not :) > Several problems: > > - The website claims the Copyright belongs to S

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 05:51:25PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > This means no content from the site can (legally) be copied over to, for > example, a GPL-licensed document (such as those produced by the DDP) or a > GPL program. For reference, this is #192748 (which was clon

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:25:31PM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > >> - Our procedure for out-of-date pages is this, the log of removed > >>pages is here. > > > > That would be nice, actually, an automatic mechanism that would mail the > > l10n mailings everytime a batch of

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 04:08:25PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > I'm unsure if we should start contacting contributors and fix the long > > standing license problem of the website. > > What license problem? Everything is licensed to SPI, always has been. I'm suprised you ask this. Have you read 2

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 06:20:40PM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > > About a redesign > > > I think that should be done, from time to time, using > proper CSS, to show people that the Web Team is alive and working. > I'm not saying to

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:00:38PM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote: > The current system was implemented by Josip recently, and is a big > improvement over the previous state: ...the previous state being that a vendor mails assorted bits of information to a mail address, and then a human editor *mus

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-30 Thread Richard Atterer
Hello, with my "CD vendor list editor" hat on: On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:25:31PM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > >> = > >> About "Who's using Debian" and CD Vendors > >> = > >> > >>It would be p

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-29 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/29/2007 08:05 PM, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 06:20:40PM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) > wrote: >> I would like to know if we have a Web Policy or if we >> should have one, some small lines, not

Re: Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-29 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 06:20:40PM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > I would like to know if we have a Web Policy or if we > should have one, some small lines, nothing complicate, just to > say: There's no Policy AFAIK, just the documentation at www.debian.org/devel/website/

Doubts and Ideas

2007-05-27 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
a new mail based on the recent event and on the constantly quoted website on all sorts of threads. Ok, while we are at it, please let me try to solve some long-standing personal doubts, because I would like to help more with our website. I'm working in the website for a few years now, an

Re: Doubts

2006-01-25 Thread Matt Kraai
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 08:23:34PM -0600, MARCO ALDUCIN wrote: > I´m a mexican student of Mexico City, my knowledge is > limited to the Fedora´s user manual v.1. > > And my first question: are the instalation commands in > Debian are the same in the Red Hat Fedora 1 ?. > > And what´s the diferen

Doubts

2006-01-25 Thread MARCO ALDUCIN
I´m a mexican student of Mexico City, my knowledge is limited to the Fedora´s user manual v.1. And my first question: are the instalation commands in Debian are the same in the Red Hat Fedora 1 ?. And what´s the diference between Red Hat Fedora and Debian distributions? If my processor is 800Mh