Re: Debian Wiki Migration to MediaWiki

2019-08-02 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
rsten Schoenert wrote: Am 02.08.19 um 11:51 schrieb Bagas Sanjaya: $someone has to do it. ;) Please, don't top posting. I haven't done any top posting. Or I'm blind to see what you mean. https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2019/08/msg00011.html I talk here about migration propo

Re: Re: Debian Wiki Migration to MediaWiki

2019-08-02 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
$someone has to do it. ;) Please, don't top posting. I talk here about migration proposal. Please read the context. -- An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

Debian Wiki Migration to MediaWiki

2019-08-02 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello, Currently Debian Wiki (wiki.d.o) is run on MoinMoin. I proposed migration to MediaWiki, which is most deployed wiki application. It is used by Wikipedia and FANDOM.COM. AFAIK, MediaWiki's features are: - Searching through logs. This feature is thrown when user search for non-existent ar

debian.org Language Subdomain Proposal

2019-07-29 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello, I'm proposing to use language subdomains for debian.org (d.o) site. Many commercial sites use subdomains for each language versions (such as es.scribd.com or *.id.uptodown.com). Currently, Debian homepage for non-English languages are debian.org/index.es.html or similar, instead of es.d

wiki.debian.org - Related Logs Search?

2019-07-05 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello, In wiki sites powered by MediaWiki, there is "Related Logs Search" page. This can be accessed by visiting Special:Log page, e.g. yourdomain.wiki/wiki/Special:Log. Sometimes this page will be mentioned by search page if the search query isn't found. However, since wiki.debian.org (Debian

Pricing Page on debian.org

2019-07-03 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello, Many people wonder whether Debian is free (as in free bear) or not. Thus, I proposed adding link to Pricing page into navigation menu of debian.org. As Debian is free to download without cost, the content of pricing page should be like below: Debian is free, free in the sense of free

Re: Re: Re: Request: Adding Contact Form in Contact Us page

2019-06-21 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
> honeypot technique Do you know how these work? Well, honeypot is a technique when a system detects bots and attackers trying to compromise the system, they are trapped to fill yet another form invisible to human, without realizing.

Re: Re: Re: Using Cloudflare as CDN for debian.org website

2019-06-19 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
How on earth do you consider that to even remotely be an advantage? We *want* the website to be usable to everyone, not just to human beings. So, if we want to make debian.org usable and accessible to everyone, even allowing bots (search engine indexers and web archivers), while still being bene

Re: Using Commercial SSL/TLS Certificate for debian.org Site

2019-06-18 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 19/06/19 12.38, Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 12:51 PM Bagas Sanjaya wrote: Unlike LE, we (debian.org) have to create Certificate Signing Requests (CSR) which will be sent to those CA. As a member of the Debian sysadmin team I can tell you that this is never going to happen

Using Commercial SSL/TLS Certificate for debian.org Site

2019-06-18 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Dear debian.org webmasters, Currently debian.org use SSL certificate from Let's Encrypt (LE). That is not bad, however there are cases when scammers get SSL certificate from LE to secure their (untrustworthy?) sites. Even LE said that scam prevention are outside their scope, due to their natur

Re: Re: Using Cloudflare as CDN for debian.org website

2019-06-17 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
That is not really answering the question from Steve. At least I can see no point that is in interest for Debian. Carsten and Steve, we're talking about performance and security of debian.org if we use Cloudflare CDN, especially regarding to reCAPTCHA challenge page.

Re: Re: Request: Using Rubik Webfont from Google Fonts Directory in debian.org

2019-06-17 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Given the information I've found about the Rubik font on fontsquirrel this font is lacking at least the support for Chinese, Hebrew and Korean. This will disqualify the font for using within the website I'd say. In fact the Hebrew is supported by Rubik, (maybe) as separate font, as well as Cyri

Re: Re: Using Cloudflare as CDN for debian.org website

2019-06-17 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
* reCaptcha's dataset is closed source. Google can and will use it as they wish. They can also use the dataset/the AI against humans or humanity itself. AFAIK, reCAPTCHA's dataset mostly based on road infrastructure in USA (streets, buildings, cars, signs, etc). Those who lived in USA will easil

Re: Re: Using Cloudflare as CDN for debian.org website

2019-06-17 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Have we a problem that users can't reach the Debian websites on www.d.o? Not as far I know. Having security check before users can access debian.org (www.d.o), in this case by reCAPTCHA, can also present problem: if a user can't pass the check, she can quickly leave www.d.o and she might tel

Re: Using Cloudflare as CDN for debian.org website

2019-06-15 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 16/06/19 06.26, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 05:50:33AM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: What is your position regarding Cloudflare's reCAPTCHA challenge feature I mentioned earlier? Here are pros and cons of the feature: Why on earth would we want to make it harder for p

Re: Re: Request: Using Rubik Webfont from Google Fonts Directory in debian.org

2019-06-15 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
So we have two options: * Use the font from Google Fonts, but with risks of fingerprinting * Host the font on debian.org infrastructure, and use it as webfont. This way, when accessing debian.org, they can get consistent typography look across all devices (PC, smartphones, etc) without

Re: Using Cloudflare as CDN for debian.org website

2019-06-15 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 15/06/19 23.03, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 07:14:58PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: Dear debian.org webmasters, CDN (Content Delivery Network) is a service that distribute website's content into different servers across the world. This way, when a visitor in Sing

Using Cloudflare as CDN for debian.org website

2019-06-15 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Dear debian.org webmasters, CDN (Content Delivery Network) is a service that distribute website's content into different servers across the world. This way, when a visitor in Singapore (for example) visit a website which hosted in Europe, the website assets will be served from CDN server in Si

Re: Request: Using Rubik Webfont from Google Fonts Directory in debian.org

2019-06-15 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 15/06/19 13.55, Yao Wei wrote: Hi, Paul, the code snippet above is under assumption that Rubik font is installed on debian.org server (via yet to be created package). There are several reasons we don't want to use external fonts: * We want to make our websites use resources from Debian

Re: Request: Using Rubik Webfont from Google Fonts Directory in debian.org

2019-06-14 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 15/06/19 09.07, Paul Wise wrote: On Sat, 2019-06-15 at 04:49 +0700, anon notmyfault64 wrote: Why did you seem to resist using modern web technologies Modern web development practices have some downsides: They are wasteful of resources; including energy and bandwidth, both on the server si