Re: DW and LinuxChix (was: Re: Welcome to DW)

2005-08-17 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 03:34, Erinn Clark wrote: > * Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:08:17 18:46 +0200]: > > I've been a member of LinuxChix lists for some time (I joined them even > > before > > I've heard of D-W) and I've often found a very polite and friendly > > environment > > there.

Re: Get the fuck out of our hobby, women.

2005-07-24 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 19:15, Jose Cedeno wrote: > It's sad to see that a person is ignorant and wastes other people's > time. Also he's arguments demonstrates his lack of knowledge in this > topic. For example the name Debian comes from the main creator's name > Ian + his wife's name Debra. He's

Re: No goals, selective memory, be nice, red nose day

2004-08-23 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 22:16, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-08-23 06:37:00 +0100 Jenn Vesperman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Women (in general) do not object to closed men's clubs where the club > > is > > nothing to do with social and professional advanceme

Re: No goals, selective memory, be nice, red nose day

2004-08-23 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 08:23, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-08-22 20:33:50 +0100 Jenn Vesperman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If you need advice on how to create a men-only group [...] > > But expecting me to fund, sysadmin and provide resources [...] > > weird

Re: No goals, selective memory, be nice, red nose day

2004-08-22 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 00:12, MJ Ray wrote: > I don't think it would be right or a solution, but anyway: what > men-only groups are provided by linuxchix? Please reply off-list. I am > not subscribed to debian-women. None. Linuxchix has limited resources funded out of my own pocket (and my husba

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-22 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 09:22, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > I don't see anyone proposing changing the fundamental Debian culture. It > > would > > be extremely cheeky to even consider it! "Hi, I'm new here, and I want to > > be > > part of your club, but first you have to completely change everythi

Re: No goals, selective memory, be nice, red nose day

2004-08-20 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 09:51, MJ Ray wrote: > The idea of parts of the debian project being closed to a particular > sex or race is offensive to me, yet some debian-women participants > support similar moves in other projects or call things like linuxchix > "a great community". Linuxchix as a w

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-18 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 20:12, Matthew Palmer wrote: > [Caution: words not minced.] Understood. > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 07:16:29PM +1000, Jenn Vesperman wrote: > > There are ways to have confrontation and challenge group-think without > > being flamefesty or painful to read.

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-18 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:23, Matthew Palmer wrote: > I thought I'd drop this in here, as it's a good description of how I feel > about the culture of Debian, and what makes Debian a good thing. > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2004/08/msg00057.html Hm. In that letter, I have a couple

Style Guides

2004-08-18 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 06:27, Andrew Suffield wrote: > Have you ever heard of somebody writing a style guide to say that > "Actually, it doesn't matter which way you do it"? Can you see why the > notion of somebody doing this is absurd? That's a built-in bias. Style > guides will only be written by

Re: Comments on the FAQ

2004-08-18 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 03:05, Erinn Clark wrote: > > That is something else I think -women members should address: this > > debian subproject is producing a set of documents which look like it > > cannot be in debian because it is not free software. I didn't even > > realise such things were all

Re: List/IRC climate issues (was: What do you want to learn?)

2004-08-05 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 13:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Do you have any Debian SIGs or groups in the area? Honestly? I have no idea. > Hmm... I've had idiots speak to me, but both females and males (it certainly > isn't only men that make it hard for women to get involved in computers). Thus

Re: List/IRC climate issues (was: What do you want to learn?)

2004-08-05 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 12:36, Matthew Palmer wrote: > No, about the only thing you *really* need the DD badge for is uploading > packages and direct access to the servers -- which is fair enough when you > consider what you could do with that level of access, whether by accident or > malice. When

Re: List/IRC climate issues (was: What do you want to learn?)

2004-08-04 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 17:34, Matthew Palmer wrote: > Do you mean that getting involved in Debian in some way is daunting? Or > that approaching a Debian Developer you have done work with and who knows > your abilities is daunting? > > They have very different causes and resolutions. If there wa

List/IRC climate issues (was: What do you want to learn?)

2004-08-04 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 09:47, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 09:54:23AM -0700, Akkana Peck wrote: > > somewhat interested in documentation. Like Carla, I've been daunted > > by what I've heard about the NM process, and also by difficulty in > > What have you heard about the NM pro

Re: Link collection for debian Women

2004-08-03 Thread Jenn Vesperman
As an initial link collection, please feel free to look at Linuxchix' links. http://www.linuxchix.org/content/recommends/sites/ LinuxChix and Debian-Women are very closely related in purpose, so the link sets are likely to be similar. Probably not the same, but similar. :) Jenn V. -- "Do

Re: sexist language in debian instructions/documentation

2004-08-02 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 06:04, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 08:28:01PM +0100, Helen Faulkner wrote: > > I'm sure that this is not _intended_ to be unfriendly, or even sexist. > > Maybe the people who wrote it, don't even realise why using such > > language is a problem. But

Re: What do you want to learn?

2004-07-31 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 07:07, Erinn Clark wrote: > Also, if there will be co-maintenance happening, some people will need to > learn about revision control systems, which are used in many distributed > projects in order to keep track of changes. There are a lot of them out > there and they tend to

Re: editing Debian documentation

2004-07-29 Thread Jenn Vesperman
On Fri, 2004-07-30 at 06:05, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Do document maintainers have to go through months of hell like package > > maintainers to be officially accepted? > > If having to wait a few months for voting rights and formal recognition > by the project is "hell" to you, I don't really h