Re: adding gender field on debian developer's database (from debian-devel)

2005-08-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
imply have to classify people into them. In this context, that's easy, since they would be expected to classify themselves. This is elementary set theory. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Get the fuck out of our hobby, women.

2005-07-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
on't think that really follows. My observation has been that women don't generally have to do much in order to attract a stalker. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Acronym on About page of main site

2005-06-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
s a phrase only > used in the US... To me it primarily means a classic comedy series. I have always thought this was quite impressively appropriate. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Localizing main site?

2005-06-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
opinion that is not more > difficult than doing the same in CVS or SVN. You can flatten those two into this one: baz get http://arch.debian.org/arch/women/website/website--trunk--0.1 -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux **

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-18 Thread Andrew Suffield
how to deal with it. And realistically, that's where Debian is already. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-18 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 02:04:18AM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 02:35:28PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Bull. People who don't have to cope with all that are people who > > aren't involved in Debian, or any other free software development &g

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
astly more people *complaining* about it than there have ever been *doing* it. I doubt people who would act like that are likely to be dissuaded by numbers, and I doubt that they constitute a statistically significant number anyway, so 'rarer' d

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
lls, > to be able to cope with sexual or sexist attacks and so on. Boys do not have > to cope with all that. Bull. People who don't have to cope with all that are people who aren't involved in Debian, or any other free sof

Re: Core KDE member about HIG^W female contributors

2005-05-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
the > men (and women!) who are perpetuating those attitudes. Ain't gonna happen. You'd better get used to dealing. And, uh, just for the record, this thread is not dealing with it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Su

Re: Core KDE member about HIG^W female contributors

2005-05-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
ave jobs that are subordinate to each other, yet very > important on themselves: the baker is subordinate to the miller, which > in turn is subordinate to the farmer, but we don't usually value the > miller or the farmer more than the baker. The moment you start assigning valu

Re: gender portrayal (was: Women wanted as games programmers)

2005-05-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
t; > I have no opinions on this as yet, I'm just intrigued, and a little > puzzled, by it. If you want to understand that you're going to have to watch a lot more anime. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Women wanted as games programmers

2005-05-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
e forgotten, too. Looking over my shelves: NOLF 1 & 2 Oni Alice The Longest Journey Blood Rayne Pretty much most of the Final Fantasy series probably qualifies too. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield

Re: Women wanted as games programmers

2005-05-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
ctually decent. Prince of Persia comes to mind. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Women wanted as games programmers

2005-05-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
ses; they don't have anything like the same degree of sales. It's not going to change the games you see in a store any time soon. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Political climate of Debian

2005-04-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
one via GR. And the GR was never intended to change this. That was purely the decision of the release manager, with no warning or discussion in advance. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Political climate of Debian

2005-04-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
se some non-free ones. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Political climate of Debian

2005-04-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
to permit more stuff for everything; that's a different subject entirely) 3) How do we distinguish between works where it should and should not be allowed? Generally they fall silent at this point. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
-- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:43:05AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > Quoting Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > > Throughthis he has become the "informal" d-i leader. And it is a > > > good thing that his word counts more than mine. > > > > N

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
about d-i for sarge. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
word counts more than mine. No, it really isn't. And doesn't. Everybody has precisely the same ability to do or say anything and have it analysed in the same way. It would be a disaster if this were not true. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andr

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
> the list to avoid making it a noisy one, and to avoid > redundant answers, but I do share most of Carla's > points of view. I just wanted to make that clear, in > case someone thought that silence meant a different > thing. Silence means Warnock's dilemma. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Proofreading of a part of a document about "gender neutrality"

2004-08-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 10:22:18PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Heh heh. Heh heh. Heh heh. He said "manus". Heh heh. > > Don't laugh. If you have something to say, well, say > it. Laughing is not an argument. W

Re: Proofreading of a part of a document about "gender neutrality"

2004-08-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
dictionary or asking a passing linguist. Uhh... what are you talking about? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 03:07:40PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 03:49:26PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:23:43PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > What you will encounter in Debian, and free software development in > &g

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:57:34AM -0700, Carla Schroder wrote: > On Saturday 21 August 2004 5:49 am, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 05:03:10PM -0700, Carla Schroder wrote: > > > On Friday 20 August 2004 4:15 pm, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > On F

Re: Proofreading of a part of a document about "gender neutrality"

2004-08-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
l be. Anybody who reads the same piece of text and expects not to be offended, won't be. The contents of the text do not matter. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 03:49:26PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:23:43PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > What you will encounter in Debian, and free software development in > > general, is nothing like you will encounter in the mundane > > wo

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
find anything resembling a "real life" here, and that should be irrelevant. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
fect their interactions with you in the project. Debian is not a social club and will never be one. It can't be. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 05:03:10PM -0700, Carla Schroder wrote: > On Friday 20 August 2004 4:15 pm, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:04:42AM -0700, Carla Schroder wrote: > > > There is no such thing as a rational dialog with > > > people of this ilk

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
, and deal with it in a rational manner *regardless* of how much you do or do not like it. We don't even need a rule for this one; we self-select for it, because people who don't will inevitably resign in a tantrum.

Re: The prevailing Debian culture

2004-08-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
Debian is definitely the worst > of the lot. Eris' beard, where have you *been*? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: No goals, selective memory, be nice, red nose day

2004-08-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 10:16:03AM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 01:01:54PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 05:48:57PM +0930, Kim Hawtin wrote: > > > it takes a long time for minorities to gain respect in the wider > >

Re: No goals, selective memory, be nice, red nose day

2004-08-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
more or less immune to this; it'll never happen. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: No goals, selective memory, be nice, red nose day

2004-08-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
ting List-Post support?) List-Post tells you *nothing* about whether or not the sender wishes a Cc. What on earth are you expecting mutt to do with it? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffiel

Re: Debian, lists and discrimination

2004-08-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
therwise even basic comprehension is impossible - you will read something that was not written. Like in this case. And you can't blame the author for it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `'

Re: My adventures with the NM process, part 2:

2004-08-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
s reading this they will know what I mean :) [Yick, there ought to be a law against Fortran. Still, the really depressing thing is that the physicists are right, even if they generally don't understand why]. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian, lists and discrimination

2004-08-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
uot;Actually, it doesn't matter which way you do it"? Can you see why the notion of somebody doing this is absurd? That's a built-in bias. Style guides will only be written by the people who will say that it *does* matter; the people who wil

Re: Debian, lists and discrimination

2004-08-09 Thread Andrew Suffield
reader, not the author. Prose is neither a license nor a program, and doesn't need to be read in that manner; doing so will only create problems. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian, lists and discrimination

2004-08-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
take this sort of thing seriously. It's like complaining about male and female connectors. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | signature.asc Description: Digital signature