> Come on, the only possible conclusion of this line of reasoning is
> that communication between two people is impossible.
Not at all. Humans communicated quite successfully long before
dictionaries or grammarians came about. A large portion of one's
vocabulary is learned through a mixture of
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 03:49:26PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:23:43PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > What you will encounter in Debian, and free software development in
> > general, is nothing like you will encounter in the mundane
> > world. There will be an endles
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Heh heh. Heh heh. Heh heh. He said "manus". Heh heh.
Don't laugh. If you have something to say, well, say
it. Laughing is not an argument.
> Come on, the only possible conclusion of this line
> of reasoning is
> that communication between two people is
Hi!
For me I did not join the project to become Debian Developer. My main
interest is in contributing the project itself, as I think, it is the
right way to get more Women into Debian and computer science or even
support female users.
I would like supporting the project by assisting with my
Carla Schroder wrote:
> No kidding! Stick around, we're on your side.
>
> This sure has been a lesson for me- it beats the
> hell out of me why so many
> Esteemed Debian Luminaries feel compelled to
> enlighten us on the errors of
> our ways. Until they FOAD, let's just hang out with
> the cool
Am Samstag, 21.08.04 um 16:33 Uhr schrieb Ben Burton:
"mankind" has a similar problem, since it can be easily perceived as
"man" + "kind" (whether this be at a conscious or subconscious level).
Man or German Mann have the origin in words for men (indogermanic
languages)
"human" (or "human
Am Samstag, 21.08.04 um 16:07 Uhr schrieb Andrew Suffield:
Funny how so many people disagree with you publically and repeatedly.
I am sure that you must be wrong. I've read in Debian mailing lists
from time to time for years. And I see, that people care, if someone
does a good job and has g
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 03:07:40PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 03:49:26PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:23:43PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > What you will encounter in Debian, and free software development in
> > > general, is nothing
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:57:34AM -0700, Carla Schroder wrote:
> On Saturday 21 August 2004 5:49 am, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 05:03:10PM -0700, Carla Schroder wrote:
> > > On Friday 20 August 2004 4:15 pm, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:04:42AM
On Saturday 21 August 2004 5:49 am, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 05:03:10PM -0700, Carla Schroder wrote:
> > On Friday 20 August 2004 4:15 pm, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:04:42AM -0700, Carla Schroder wrote:
> > >
> > > Anybody who has any trouble de
On Saturday 21 August 2004 5:40 am, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> That's why I must seriously think about it. I'm not
> the one who will commit herself to something then
> resign without a serious reason, but I also need to be
> aware of what I'm going to find if I join, and, to be
> honest, what you're sug
On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 12:33:39AM +1000, Ben Burton wrote:
>
> > Interestingly enough, "humanity" has "man" in it too, but like
> > "mankind", its origins have nothing to do with gender.
>
> FWIW, perception is not based on etymology.
>
> "chairman" is treated as gender-specific because it is
> Interestingly enough, "humanity" has "man" in it too, but like
> "mankind", its origins have nothing to do with gender.
FWIW, perception is not based on etymology.
"chairman" is treated as gender-specific because it is easily read as
"chair" + "man", i.e., the man leading the organisation. W
On Saturday 21 August 2004 00:56, Christian Perrier wrote:
> > "The world is made up of both men and women. Please use
> > gender-neutral constructs in your writing. This is not Political
> > Correctness, this is showing respect to all mankind."
> >
> > And in fact, I'd like to lose "mankind", too
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 03:49:26PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:23:43PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > What you will encounter in Debian, and free software development in
> > general, is nothing like you will encounter in the mundane
> > world. There will be an endles
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:23:43PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> What you will encounter in Debian, and free software development in
> general, is nothing like you will encounter in the mundane
> world. There will be an endless stream of accusations and
> recriminations from other Debian develope
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 03:15:11PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > Maybe I don't have the appropiate personality to join Debian (to be
> > honest it's one of the things I'm considering, it's not a complain).
> > I'll keep thinking on that. And maybe I'm not the only one standing in
> > that point.
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:40:14PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> I think it's rational enough to put in a balance what
> you give and what you get and take your decision from
> that. I mean, if all I'm getting is fightings, trolls,
> sexism, competitiveness, aggressiveness, politics and
> things like
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:40:14PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > You don't have to like it, you have to put up with it, and deal with
> > it in a rational manner *regardless* of how much you do or do not
> > like it.
> We HAVE to put up and deal with that every day in our
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 05:03:10PM -0700, Carla Schroder wrote:
> On Friday 20 August 2004 4:15 pm, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:04:42AM -0700, Carla Schroder wrote:
> > > There is no such thing as a rational dialog with
> > > people of this ilk, because their goal is not
Helen Faulkner wrote:
> I'm in the process of trying to join debian. I
don't like that stuff
> either. Come on - we can be unstable together!
Thanks :) It'll be nice :)
Thanks for your support, really :)
Andrew Suffield wrote:
> You don't have to like it, you have to put up with
> it, and dea
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 07:56:36AM +0100, Helen Faulkner wrote:
> >You mean if I don't like competitive environments, If
> >I'm more into cooperative groups, If I'm not willing
> >to cope with abuses, trolls and all kind of things,
> >I'm an unstable person and I should not try to join
> >Debian? I
On 2004-08-21 02:40:38 +0100 Ricardo Mones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Why is it good for either to post here than some -user list?
Why is bad?
If we start from the assumption that -women subscribers in part want
to remedy some problem of debian lists, the
> It's because it contains "man". In modern English "mankind" is often
> percieved as having an emphasis on men and a corresponding demphasis on
OK, I understand. We have some similar issues in French. Not for
"mankind" directly though we often speak about "l'Homme" when it comes
at speaking a
Hi Christian,
Christian Perrier wrote:
"The world is made up of both men and women. Please use gender-neutral
constructs in your writing. This is not Political Correctness, this is
showing respect to all mankind."
And in fact, I'd like to lose "mankind", too, and replace it with
"humanity" or
Quoting Helen Faulkner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> "The world is made up of both men and women. Please use gender-neutral
> constructs in your writing. This is not Political Correctness, this is
> showing respect to all people."
Done.
Thanks to you all again.
> > "The world is made of men and women. Please use gender-neutral
> > constructions in your writing. This is not political correctness, this
> > is respect towards half of the mankind."
>
> /me points quietly at the last word of the paragraph...
/me will use his bad English knowledge as an ex
Miry,
You mean if I don't like competitive environments, If
I'm more into cooperative groups, If I'm not willing
to cope with abuses, trolls and all kind of things,
I'm an unstable person and I should not try to join
Debian? Its good to know before even attempting it.
I'm in the process of try
> "The world is made up of both men and women. Please use gender-neutral
> constructs in your writing. This is not Political Correctness, this is
> showing respect to all mankind."
>
> And in fact, I'd like to lose "mankind", too, and replace it with
> "humanity" or "people".
Is this because i
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