Re: unwritten "messages" was: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread Carla Schroder
On Sunday 15 August 2004 5:07 pm, MJ Ray wrote: > > I do not wish to be counted among the support for the debian-women > list, just as I would not join a debian-calvinists list. I shouldn't feed the troll, but what the heck. So here's how it goes: 1. You don't support Debian-Women 2. You disag

Re: unwritten "messages" was: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread iain d broadfoot
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 2004-08-16 00:36:27 +0100 Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >1. If you want to participate more than once in a Debian > >sub-community, it is appropriate to subscribe to that list. [...] > > I do not wish to be counted among the support for the deb

Re: unwritten "messages" was: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-08-16 00:36:27 +0100 Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1. If you want to participate more than once in a Debian sub-community, it is appropriate to subscribe to that list. [...] I do not wish to be counted among the support for the debian-women list, just as I would not join a

Re: unwritten "messages" was: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, MJ, all On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 07:47:27PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Ye gods, that title is in a fairly common neutral academic style! > (Well, I subbed "we" for "one" because it looked odd, but still...) 1. If you want to participate more than once in a Debian sub-community, it is appropriate

[OT] unwritten "messages" was: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
I'm quite new to this list, but let me add my 0.02 cents. :o) First of all, I don't like flamewars, but I really like good discussions and conversations about the topics, and IMHO this conversation became off-topic to this list. MJ Ray ask to be Cc'ed, and we ask him to write in

Re: unwritten "messages" was: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread Miriam Ruiz
--- MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > On 2004-08-15 17:55:43 +0100 Almut Behrens > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > To elaborate on why I perceive your tone as > "patronizing", let's just > > take the subject line "On debian lists, we cc if > asked", for example: > > Ye gods, that title

Re: Hello world

2004-08-15 Thread Carla Schroder
On Saturday 14 August 2004 2:18 pm, Sandra Fernandez García wrote: > Hi to all, > I'm Sandra and i'm new in this list. > I want to learn a lot here with all the people that belong to > this community. > I can read english without problems but my level of english is not very high > :), > then i don

Re: Hi! and my intro!

2004-08-15 Thread Carla Schroder
On Thursday 12 August 2004 1:16 pm, liz wrote: > Greetings! > > Hi my name is Liz and Im a Debian user... =) hello Liz! Welcome. Here's a couple links that might be useful, in case you didn't find them already: Ye Official Debian-Women website http://women.alioth.debian.org/ Mailing list ar

Re: unwritten "messages" was: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-08-15 17:55:43 +0100 Almut Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To elaborate on why I perceive your tone as "patronizing", let's just take the subject line "On debian lists, we cc if asked", for example: Ye gods, that title is in a fairly common neutral academic style! (Well, I subbed

Re: unwritten "messages" was: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-08-15 15:30:44 +0100 Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's a summary of potentially offensive words used in the posts on this thread to date Sorry, your figures don't agree with my mailboxes. For my side, at least one word isn't spelt how I usually spell it. In another ca

Re: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread Carla Schroder
On Sunday 15 August 2004 2:45 am, MJ Ray wrote: > debian-women is the most rude and hostile list I've encountered > for years. Then why do you keep coming back? I suggest you seek out a friendlier list, and not waste your time here. -- Carla Schrode

Re: unwritten "messages" was: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread Almut Behrens
On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 02:50:09PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > OK, but if I am writing my usual clear native English, there is little > or nothing that I can do to avoid misinterpretation of my messages > without second-guessing everyone's reactions. That's clearly not > possible, so I ask for som

Re: unwritten "messages" was: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread Helen Faulkner
Hello MJR, all, MJR, you asked for more information about what the problem is with your posts, seeing as they are written in what is undeniably clear english. I think that the problem is well illustrated by the language you are using when you post to this list. I believe that you probably do

unwritten "messages" was: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-08-15 12:59:03 +0100 Almut Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It sometimes helps to be aware of the latter more subtle communication channels (except if one deliberately wants to troll and start a flamewar -- I'm not accusing you of doing this, BTW ;) OK, but if I am writing my usual

Re: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread Almut Behrens
On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 10:45:42AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Why is pointing something out automatically "patronizing" to this > list? debian-women is the most rude and hostile list I've encountered > for years. It's the tone. Probably the same thing that made you infer from my reply (and other

Re: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-08-15 11:26:40 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ce jour Sun, 15 Aug 2004, MJ Ray a dit: debian-women is the most rude and hostile list I've encountered for years. hehehe, you haven't been on debian-devel in the middle of flame wars then, have you? :) Yes, I have. debian-women is worse

Re: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, MJ Ray wrote: > I'm rather saddened that some replies to me weren't cc'd when I had > asked. That's very rude and a little sneaky, IMO. First off, if you want to be Cc:'ed, please set Mail-Followup-To: appropriately. Just asking for it isn't good enough, since it doesn't propo

Re: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread simon
Ce jour Sun, 15 Aug 2004, MJ Ray a dit: > On 2004-08-15 03:23:49 +0100 Almut Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Why is pointing something out automatically "patronizing" to this > list? debian-women is the most rude and hostile list I've encountered > for years. Really, if you behave

Re: We want your stories!

2004-08-15 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Helen Faulkner wrote: > If I understdand what Matt is meaning, they're posted on the > debian-newmaint mailing list. They are also reposted to debian-project at the time the people become Debian Developers, with a higher S/N ratio for this particular need

Re: On debian lists, we cc if asked

2004-08-15 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-08-15 03:23:49 +0100 Almut Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "If you send messages to lists to which you are not subscribed, always note that fact in the body of your message." I usually note it in my first message in a subthread, which is how I read the above. If you want it in eve

Re: We want your stories!

2004-08-15 Thread Helen Faulkner
That sounds like a good thing- can you give a wee hint where to find these? I've been searching debian.org without finding them. If I understdand what Matt is meaning, they're posted on the debian-newmaint mailing list. See, for example, http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2004/07/ms