Re: opinion on Choice 1

2021-03-30 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hi, On 3/30/21 12:18, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: Hello, On 29.03.21 20:37, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Ulrike Uhlig (2021-03-29 10:58:13) Sorry for my ignorance, but who are you? I cannot find your name in the Debian contributor list. Sorry for my ignorance, but who are you to ask that?  I can

Re: Amendement to GR Statement regarding Stallman's readmission to the FSF board

2021-03-30 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 02:51:59PM +0200, Santiago R.R. wrote: Choice X: Debian is unable to collaborate with FSF === Begin text === Under section 4.1.5 of the constitution, the Developers make the following statement: Debian’s statement on Richard Stallman rejoining the FSF board We at Deb

Re: Amendement to GR Statement regarding Stallman's readmission to the FSF board

2021-03-30 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hi Phil, On 3/30/21 14:15, Phil Morrell wrote: Therefore, in the current situation, the Debian Project is unable to collaborate both with the FSF and any other organisation in which Richard Stallman has a leading position. Hi Santiago, I know this is more of a question about the original FSFE

Re: Amendement to GR Statement regarding Stallman's readmission to the FSF board

2021-03-30 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 3/30/21 16:48, Santiago R.R. wrote: For the matter of consistency, this is the full amended amendment: Choice X: Debian encourages working with groups that foster diversity and equality === Begin text === Under section 4.1.5 of the constitution, the Developers make the following statement:

Re: opinion on Choice 1

2021-03-30 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hi, On 3/30/21 16:43, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: Le mardi 30 mars 2021 à 12:38:36+0200, Zlatan Todoric a écrit : Hi, On 3/30/21 12:18, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: Hello, On 29.03.21 20:37, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Ulrike Uhlig (2021-03-29 10:58:13) Sorry for my ignorance, but who are you

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 4, assert the need to learn and grow from recent events

2021-03-30 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 3/31/21 00:28, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: This is a late amendment proposal which I hope seconders will feel able to support in time for it to make the ballot paper. It is late because I feel strongly that events in the past few days [1] [2] [3] [4] risk overtaking this GR; Debian already has

Re: Cancel "culture" is a threat to Debian

2021-04-01 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/1/21 03:09, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote: On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 06:24:52PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: I could be wrong, but it seems to me that you still are on a debian mailing list while you clearly stated you wanted to sever your ties with Debian. And what's wrong? Anyone can pa

Re: Cancel "culture" is a threat to Debian

2021-04-01 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/1/21 15:24, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote: You're making a good cause to make the lists read-only for non-members I'm trying to argue my position, instead of long reasonings about feelings of my opponents and so on. Is that wrong for the Debian now? You're not arguing, you're just "throwing" t

Re: Cancel "culture" is a threat to Debian

2021-04-01 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/1/21 15:52, Pasha wrote: Please speak only for yourself and not for "all Debian users", I doubt you know all of them :) Goals might evolve. It's also called "growing up". I started using Debian when I was in school. Now, if you tell me the goal of Debian changed from free OS to somethin

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/2/21 09:20, Craig Sanders wrote: TEXT OF OPTION 5 Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the Free Software Foundation. I sincerely think debia

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/2/21 16:56, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 03:49:04PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 4/2/21 09:20, Craig Sanders wrote: TEXT OF OPTION 5 Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard Stallman, the Free Software

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/2/21 19:09, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:18:51PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: [...] still not good enough to throw tantrums around with "witch-hunt". Women in past were burnt alive on stakes, so stop with extreme rhetoric when some expresses that they had it e

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/2/21 18:48, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:18:51PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 4/2/21 16:56, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 03:49:04PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 4/2/21 09:20, Craig Sanders wrote: TEXT OF OPTION 5

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/3/21 01:52, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 09:07:15PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: Yes, lets use that I am not native English speaker and drown the conversation with some pointless pedantic approaches now and bunch of words. Oh, FFS! I was giving you a face-saving excuse

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/3/21 00:44, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > I sincerely think debian-vote should be read-only for non-DDs because this person is not a DD (afaict) and is just polluting our list with such non-sense. There are non-DD people who maintain more packages and with higher total popcon than DDs, but

Re: Willingness to share a position statement?

2021-04-03 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/3/21 03:26, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: On Friday, 2 April 2021 11:09:42 PM AEDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: Thanks for arguing for my point: Communism was a beautiful theoretical idea which was implemented by humans and therefore was a miserable fuckup in the end. I still think the concept is

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2016: second call for votes

2016-04-09 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Sorry for top posting - but wrong year? (and thus wrong selection of candidates ;) ) On 04/10/2016 12:48 AM, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: Hi, This is the 2nd call for votes for the DPL election. Voting period starts Wed Apr 1 00:00:00 UTC 2015 Votes must be