Re: Willingness to share a position statement?

me to reinstate RMS.  His demonization was unconscionable in the first place. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but n

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Willingness to share a position statement?

aybe it's time to survey the Debian community as to who feels how about Stallman.  Otherwise this is all a based on a few loud voices shouting at each other. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra Theory

re. RMS

Given that Friday was Autism Awareness Day, it might be worth noting that RMS is clearly "on the spectrum" - and well known since the days he slept in his office at MIT (my student days). Why is it that nobody ever gives him any leeway for that? Miles Fidelman -- In theory, t

Re: Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

- which, at the very least, will require significant testing, and possibly reconfiguration. Breaking backwards compatibility is big deal. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-r

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

e I thought it would be obvious. By `in Debian' in this context we probably mean `in testing and not RC buggy'. Frankly, while I'm not eligible to vote, isn't the real message that most of us who object to systemd would like to see classic sysvinit continue to be supported?

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

x27;s only the GNOME developers who are being rather vocal about not supporting sysvinit, to the extent of IMHO blackmail. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lis

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 09:56:33AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: All this talk about what upstream developers will and won't do. Seems to me that they've been writing sysvinit scripts for years; systemd support ADDS work. It's only the GNOME developers who a

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

peoples opinions. Keep on, and you will win again :-( Actually, all the anti-systemd voices seem to be on lists related to network operations. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

happy about the fact that systemd enables them to do a significant part of their job a whole lot faster and safer. And there are tons of people who are very UNHAPPY about the fact that systemd requires them to CHANGE how they get their job done. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no

Re: Can you all please stop?

oftware that I depend on are a combination of: - not paying attention at all - overtly assuming that systemd, and its cohorts, will (continue) to support legacy init scripts - grudging "oh, I guess we should write systemd init code" Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between

Re: Is free software political?

o be more diligent when considering non-technical consequences of our decisions. Well, maybe Debian keeps a low key public stance, but the community certainly has more than it's share of politics.  And not in the good sense. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between th

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

designed for universities).  Converting archives might be an issue, or older archives could just be left as is. Miles Fidelman (runs a Sympa installation) -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra Theory is when you know everything but n