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> trying to ascertain if this stance has a leg to stand on.
... and ?
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> I hereby de-nominate myself as a candidate for DPL 2006.
Well, I'm glad you won't be disappearing then, as is the custom for the
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can't directly do ourselves.
We need to either accept this, or get rid of all this vote crap as a
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Dmitry Borodaenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> DNW> On the other hand, is it fair to entrust the project to a
> DNW> (potential) majority of developers who are still learning as they
> DNW> go, and w
le
> and decide
Since when are they 'experts'? Frankly, I want to see some law
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> > Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > 19. Should decisions about DFSG-compliance be made on the
> > > > debian-legal list,
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tyle back in Debian. I would like to see someone lead by picking a
direction and going there, not by trying to run ahead of the herd but
looking back to see where the herd is headed. Don't worry about doing
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who flake out even get any attention?
Maybe it's a bad idea, but "applicant, advocate, sponsor, committee,
manager, etc" makes me think I have stumbled into some government
office where I have to fill out Form W2 1024D...
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Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Having dead applications in the queue doesn't buy anybody anything
> afaict.
And, in fact, that's not what I suggested.
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for software in
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already.
I'm against the idea of removing non-free, but let's have a vote
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t already.
I saw Ian's online journal as linked by LWN, but can anyone point me
to something more specific? It sounds very vaporwareish to me, but
maybe there is some substance to it that I'm missing. Links to -devel
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type is something along the lines of "and as DPL, do you think you can
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PS Really, I mean no disrespe
ting the Debian brand.
> Though I'm not a leader, and I hope I won't even get close to it,
> I'll be happy to kick your ass for even thinking about not having a
> leader >;]
I think Debian needs a leader - I'll probably vote for Branden, just
to see what happens,
t a bit difficult... On the other
hand, I think it's a very, very positive aspect. Not many people can
just 'jump into' kernel development, but it doesn't take that much to
ramp up and do a .deb... it's a good stepping stone. In any event, I
still think a good leader could help foster the right sort of
atmosphere (Bruce wasn't perfect in that regard).
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;t think it's a problem that the DPL should be
> solving, I think it's a problem the developers need to resolve
> ourselves.
I can certainly agree that we need to make an effort to treat one
another civilly. I wonder why Debian seems worse off than other
project in this regard though? I don't see this much acrimony in
other more or less important free software groups I'm involved with.
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osal,
> > so that the entire proposal now reads:
> >
> >that the amendments to the Social Contract contained within the
> >General Resolution "Editorial Amendments To The Social Contract"
> >(2004 vote 003) be immediately rescinded.
> >
&g
brainfood guys - what
I want to know is how you, as DPL, would manage this situation,
balancing the needs of the developers, the fact that you have to work
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's going on, and 2) not piss off
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"democracy" in the form of our system of resolutions, the
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can't directly do ourselves.
We need to either accept this, or get rid of all this vote crap as a
sham. I vote for door numer #2.
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If Debian happens to need an supreme and feared emperor-for-life, I'd
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Dmitry Borodaenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 10:43:30AM -0800, David N. Welton wrote:
> DNW> On the other hand, is it fair to entrust the project to a
> DNW> (potential) majority of developers who are still learning as they
> DNW> go, and w
le
> and decide
Since when are they 'experts'? Frankly, I want to see some law
degrees, or the equivalent work experience in the legal field, before
I start listening to most of those people.
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Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:05:37AM -0800, David N. Welton wrote:
> > Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > 19. Should decisions about DFSG-compliance be made on the
> > > > debian-legal list,
aving in a huff when things
don't go your way:-)
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tyle back in Debian. I would like to see someone lead by picking a
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ailable time, or flaking out. Why should people
who flake out even get any attention?
Maybe it's a bad idea, but "applicant, advocate, sponsor, committee,
manager, etc" makes me think I have stumbled into some government
office where I have to fill out Form W2 1024D...
Just
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Having dead applications in the queue doesn't buy anybody anything
> afaict.
And, in fact, that's not what I suggested.
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t already.
I saw Ian's online journal as linked by LWN, but can anyone point me
to something more specific? It sounds very vaporwareish to me, but
maybe there is some substance to it that I'm missing. Links to -devel
discussions are ok.
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tions of this
type is something along the lines of "and as DPL, do you think you can
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Branden, what would you do differently about the "leadership thing"?
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PS Really, I mean no disrespe
ting the Debian brand.
> Though I'm not a leader, and I hope I won't even get close to it,
> I'll be happy to kick your ass for even thinking about not having a
> leader >;]
I think Debian needs a leader - I'll probably vote for Branden, just
to see what happens,
. Sometimes that makes it a bit difficult... On the other
hand, I think it's a very, very positive aspect. Not many people can
just 'jump into' kernel development, but it doesn't take that much to
ramp up and do a .deb... it's a good stepping stone. In any even
t; Personally, I don't think it's a problem that the DPL should be
> solving, I think it's a problem the developers need to resolve
> ourselves.
I can certainly agree that we need to make an effort to treat one
another civilly. I wonder why Debian seems worse off than othe
> so that the entire proposal now reads:
> >
> >that the amendments to the Social Contract contained within the
> >General Resolution "Editorial Amendments To The Social Contract"
> >(2004 vote 003) be immediately rescinded.
> >
> >
>
le", why do you continue to provoke and inflame them?
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tpmasters and technical committee directly. Can you
> include those, please?
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This is something where I would really like to see our leader step in
and get the communication straightened out, rather than voting, but I
suppose I'd be willing to consider seconding it if it's short a few
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ave placed our trust in you to keep situations like this in hand. As
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at needs a standardised test suite run over it.
Can you elaborate? What does this mean in practical terms?
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> > I'm amazed at how little people seem to have done to inform themselves
> > about all the candidates, myself.
> Just because people vote in a way
Just to be clear, nothing against Anthony Towns. I think he'd do
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> > alright as DPL.
>
> Sounds like you've asked a few people and are now hedging your bets!
Nope, my comm
nfood guys - what
I want to know is how you, as DPL, would manage this situation,
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's going on, and 2) not piss off
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