Re: "rms-open-letter" choice 3: do not, as the project itself, sign any letter regarding rms

2021-03-28 Thread Bart Martens
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:51:40AM +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote: > Updated text: > ---8<---8<---8<--- > The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard > Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not. > > Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (

Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io

2021-03-28 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:12:47PM -0500, Michael Lustfield wrote: > Choice X: > > The Debian Project disapproves of recent and past actions taken by FSF. With > regards to the latest action (re-acceptance of RMS to the board), it now > chooses to cut ties with the foundation. The Debian Project e

Re: Amendment to GR on RMS rejoining FSF

2021-03-28 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le 27 mars 2021 13:55:23 GMT+01:00, Kurt Roeckx a écrit : >On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 01:27:38PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:17:58AM +0530, Sruthi Chandran wrote: >> > > belately conveyed [0] to FSF’s staff and supporters. >> >> I've changed that to "belatedly". > >The op

Re: Amendment to GR on RMS rejoining FSF

2021-03-28 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 12:40:56PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Le 27 mars 2021 13:55:23 GMT+01:00, Kurt Roeckx a écrit : > >On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 01:27:38PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:17:58AM +0530, Sruthi Chandran wrote: > >> > > belately conveyed [0] to

Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

2021-03-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2021-03-28 08:17:32) > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:46:03PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2021-03-27 18:19:57) > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > > Thanks for your judgements(!), Luke and Enrico. > > > >

Re: "rms-open-letter" choice 3: do not, as the project itself, sign any letter regarding rms

2021-03-28 Thread Gilles Filippini
Bart Martens a écrit le 28/03/2021 à 10:40 : On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:51:40AM +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote: Updated text: ---8<---8<---8<--- The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not. Any individual (in

Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io

2021-03-28 Thread Michael Lustfield
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:09:48 + Holger Levsen wrote: > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:12:47PM -0500, Michael Lustfield wrote: > > Choice X: > > > > The Debian Project disapproves of recent and past actions taken by FSF. With > > regards to the latest action (re-acceptance of RMS to the board), i

Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

2021-03-28 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 5:05 AM Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > You (and others, privately) agree that the > accusations are deliberately harmful That's intent to harm—and maybe malice. Anyone wishing to harm someone should do so on their own. I want no part in it. Kind regards Felix Lechner

opinion on Choice 1

2021-03-28 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> On 2021-03-26 15:50:02 +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Le vendredi 26 mars 2021 à 16:50:06+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit : > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:08:34PM +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: [Moving to -vote from -devel; apologies if inappropriate.] As an

Re: opinion on Choice 1

2021-03-28 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 à 15:35:42+, Ivan Shmakov a écrit : > > On 2021-03-26 15:50:02 +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > Le vendredi 26 mars 2021 à 16:50:06+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit : > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:08:34PM +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > >

Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

2021-03-28 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 à 14:04:48+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : > My involvement in this subthread was when Molly arguing that the > accusation was not harmful (using other words, yes, and we can nitpick > that if really necessary). You (and others, privately) agree that the > accusations

Re: Amendment to GR on RMS rejoining FSF

2021-03-28 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Sruthi" == Sruthi Chandran writes: >> >> Under section 4.1.5 of the constitution, the Developers make the >> following statement: >> >> *Debian’s statement on Richard Stallman rejoining the FSF board* >> >> We at Debian are profoundly disappointed to hear of

Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

2021-03-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Pierre-Elliott Bécue (2021-03-28 20:31:01) > Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 � 14:04:48+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a �crit�: > > My involvement in this subthread was when Molly arguing that the > > accusation was not harmful (using other words, yes, and we can > > nitpick that if really necessary).

Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

2021-03-28 Thread Eduard Bloch
Hallo, * Felix Lechner [Sun, Mar 28 2021, 08:12:58AM]: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 5:05 AM Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > > You (and others, privately) agree that the > > accusations are deliberately harmful > > That's intent to harm—and maybe malice. > > Anyone wishing to harm someone should do so

Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

2021-03-28 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 à 20:56:26+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : > Quoting Pierre-Elliott Bécue (2021-03-28 20:31:01) > > Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 � 14:04:48+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a �crit�: > > > My involvement in this subthread was when Molly arguing that the > > > accusation was not harmful

Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

2021-03-28 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Jonas" == Jonas Smedegaard writes: Jonas> Quoting Pierre-Elliott Bécue (2021-03-28 20:31:01) >> Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 � 14:04:48+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a >> �crit�: > My involvement in this subthread was when Molly arguing >> that the > accusation was not harmful (using

Re: "rms-open-letter" GR choice 2: sign https://rms-support-letter.github.io/

2021-03-28 Thread Lionel Élie Mamane
seconded On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 09:12:09AM +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote: > ---8<---8<---8<--- > The Debian Project co-signs the statement regarding Richard Stallman's > readmission to the FSF board seen at https://rms-support-letter.github.io/. > The text of this statement is given below. > >

Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

2021-03-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Sam, Quoting Sam Hartman (2021-03-28 23:55:42) > > "Jonas" == Jonas Smedegaard writes: > There were a lot of messages here, and I may have missed some. Sorry for my part of that: I wish I were able to express my opinions more compactly. > When I last paid attention to this, you were co

Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

2021-03-28 Thread Milan Kupcevic
On 3/28/21 5:55 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: >> "Jonas" == Jonas Smedegaard writes: > > Jonas> Quoting Pierre-Elliott Bécue (2021-03-28 20:31:01) > >> Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 � 14:04:48+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a > >> �crit�: > My involvement in this subthread was when Molly arguing >

Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

2021-03-28 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Milan" == Milan Kupcevic writes: Milan> An official Debian statement is not about any particular Milan> individual but about Debian's interests and goals. Yeah, but in general, I find persuading people to change their minds on stuff like this to be a waste of list time. If som